Disturbance over The Bahamas (Is Invest 96L)

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Re: Mid Level Disturbance to the S of 94L

#41 Postby Hurricaneman » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:21 pm

Weather Dude wrote:
ClarCari wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:How good are conditions expected to be in the gulf? We don't need another storm RIing in there


Besides only moderate/weak shear thru next few days in the Western Gulf by lower Texas,...Pretty Good I’m afraid :/

The shear in the Eastern Mid-Atlantic looks like it’s easing up too some. This next week could be crazy..

Not good... Welcome to September 2020 :double:


Looks like it’s in its formative stages, such hurricanes or tropical storms started in this area and even looked like this in this area such as

Labor Day 1935
Erin 1995
Edouard 2002
Katrina 2005
Rita 2005
Hermine 2016
Julia 2016
Gordon 2018

I’m expecting this to develop before Florida I think something similar to Gordon or Julia is most likely from that list
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Re: Mid Level Disturbance to the S of 94L

#42 Postby ElectricStorm » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:29 pm

Hurricaneman wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:
ClarCari wrote:
Besides only moderate/weak shear thru next few days in the Western Gulf by lower Texas,...Pretty Good I’m afraid :/

The shear in the Eastern Mid-Atlantic looks like it’s easing up too some. This next week could be crazy..

Not good... Welcome to September 2020 :double:


Looks like it’s in its formative stages, such hurricanes or tropical storms started in this area and even looked like this in this area such as

Labor Day 1935
Erin 1995
Edouard 2002
Katrina 2005
Rita 2005
Hermine 2016
Julia 2016
Gordon 2018

I’m expecting this to develop before Florida I think something similar to Gordon or Julia is most likely from that list

Gordon or Julia would certainly be better than some of those other storms on that list but they still had impacts of their own. Hopefully it won't do much, especially in the areas already devastated by Laura
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Re: Mid Level Disturbance to the S of 94L

#43 Postby caneman » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:23 pm

Weather Dude wrote:
Hurricaneman wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:Not good... Welcome to September 2020 :double:


Looks like it’s in its formative stages, such hurricanes or tropical storms started in this area and even looked like this in this area such as

Labor Day 1935
Erin 1995
Edouard 2002
Katrina 2005
Rita 2005
Hermine 2016
Julia 2016
Gordon 2018

I’m expecting this to develop before Florida I think something similar to Gordon or Julia is most likely from that list

Gordon or Julia would certainly be better than some of those other storms on that list but they still had impacts of their own. Hopefully it won't do much, especially in the areas already devastated by Laura


2 different forecasters in the Tampa Bay area seem to think it may develop in the Eastern Gulf. Will need to watch it
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Re: Mid Level Disturbance to the S of 94L

#44 Postby GCANE » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:22 am

ICON keeps this spinning around in the GoM for quite some time.
Spends a lot of time in the W GoM around the chronic high CAPE pool.
Also, upper troposphere is beginning to cool down.
A deadly combination for intensification.
Stay tuned.

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Re: Mid Level Disturbance to the S of 94L

#45 Postby us89 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:53 am

Up to 0/30 on the 8 AM TWO:

2. A large area of disorganized showers and thunderstorms centered a
couple of hundred miles northeast of the Central Bahamas is
associated with a surface trough of low pressure. This system is
forecast to move westward, crossing the Bahamas and Florida on
Friday and moving into the eastern Gulf of Mexico over the weekend.
Upper-level winds are expected to become conducive for some
development of this system while it moves slowly west-northwestward
over the eastern Gulf of Mexico early next week.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...30 percent.
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Re: Mid Level Disturbance to the S of 94L

#46 Postby boca » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:53 am

This system has that popcorn look right now which was alluded to yesterday when it’s in it’s formative stages.
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Re: Mid Level Disturbance to the S of 94L

#47 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:26 am

This system is slowly getting its act together. Once it traverses the Gulf Stream and taps into those bath ssts when the trough axis passes through the Bahamas tomorrow, and approaches the Southeast Florida Coast, this system has the potential to begin to bloosom.
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Re: Mid Level Disturbance to the S of 94L

#48 Postby NDG » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:37 am

Vorticity continues to increase little by little, this disturbance has a lot of moisture to work with along with a light shear environment once it gets closer to FL and into the GOM next week. It will bring heavy rainfall total to FL this weekend.
It has increased model support for at least weak development. It will be interesting if both systems develop in the GOM. It will be shortly before this becomes an invest.

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Re: Mid Level Disturbance to the S of 94L

#49 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:44 am

NDG wrote:Vorticity continues to increase little by little, this disturbance has a lot of moisture to work with along with a light shear environment once it gets closer to FL and into the GOM next week. It will bring heavy rainfall total to FL this weekend.
It has increased model support for at least weak development. It will be interesting if both systems develop in the GOM. It will be shortly before this becomes an invest.

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Just simply lacking deep convection. Once that starts, it is all systems go with this disturbance.
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Re: Disturbance east of Bahamas

#50 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:47 am

the spotty convection will help push vorticity up into the 850 mb range but it wont be enough to develop a surface circ.

needs a few sustained convective burst somewhere along the trough axis to do that.
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Re: Disturbance east of Bahamas

#51 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:52 am

Aric Dunn wrote:the spotty convection will help push vorticity up into the 850 mb range but it wont be enough to develop a surface circ.

needs a few sustained convective burst somewhere along the trough axis to do that.


I think Aric that the convective bursts will begin within the next 24-36 hours. It will be a gradual process. It will begin to really organize once it gets ino the Southeast /Eastern GOM by Sunday into Monday.
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Re: Disturbance east of Bahamas

#52 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:57 am

northjaxpro wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:the spotty convection will help push vorticity up into the 850 mb range but it wont be enough to develop a surface circ.

needs a few sustained convective burst somewhere along the trough axis to do that.


I think Aric that the convective bursts will begin within the next 24-36 hours. It will be a gradual process. It will begin to really organize once it gets ino the Southeast /Eastern GOM by Sunday into Monday.


The potential is definitely there. A little wave break ( friction) would help bahamas maybe.. but florida should help.
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Re: Disturbance east of Bahamas

#53 Postby NDG » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:01 am

Aric Dunn wrote:the spotty convection will help push vorticity up into the 850 mb range but it wont be enough to develop a surface circ.

needs a few sustained convective burst somewhere along the trough axis to do that.


I'm sure land interaction will help in the development of a surface circulation as it usually does.

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Re: Disturbance east of Bahamas

#54 Postby SFLcane » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:10 am

NDG wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:the spotty convection will help push vorticity up into the 850 mb range but it wont be enough to develop a surface circ.

needs a few sustained convective burst somewhere along the trough axis to do that.


I'm sure land interaction will help in the development of a surface circulation as it usually does.

https://i.imgur.com/g2YsSuX.gif


Maybe a weak TS before FL? I certainly think it’s possible
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Re: Disturbance east of Bahamas

#55 Postby NDG » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:15 am

SFLcane wrote:
NDG wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:the spotty convection will help push vorticity up into the 850 mb range but it wont be enough to develop a surface circ.

needs a few sustained convective burst somewhere along the trough axis to do that.


I'm sure land interaction will help in the development of a surface circulation as it usually does.

https://i.imgur.com/g2YsSuX.gif


Maybe a weak TS before FL? I certainly think it’s possible


Certainly possible, we have seen the gulf stream do its magic before, but most likely in the eastern GOM.
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Re: Disturbance east of Bahamas

#56 Postby aspen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:22 am

I don't like how models are showing this stick around for a while in the Gulf. Definitely raises a few eyebrows, since SSTs have just about completely recovered since Laura and we've seen RI twice in the Gulf this year, one of which (Hanna) that was horribly predicted by the globals.
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Re: Disturbance east of Bahamas

#57 Postby NDG » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:55 am

aspen wrote:I don't like how models are showing this stick around for a while in the Gulf. Definitely raises a few eyebrows, since SSTs have just about completely recovered since Laura and we've seen RI twice in the Gulf this year, one of which (Hanna) that was horribly predicted by the globals.


A couple of GEPS ensemble members along with a couple of GEFS-Para show this becoming a hurricane in the northern GOM, something I would keep in mind when considering that it will have a moist environment along with a very light shear environment & very warm waters.
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Re: Disturbance east of Bahamas

#58 Postby us89 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:57 am

aspen wrote:I don't like how models are showing this stick around for a while in the Gulf. Definitely raises a few eyebrows, since SSTs have just about completely recovered since Laura and we've seen RI twice in the Gulf this year, one of which (Hanna) that was horribly predicted by the globals.


Even if SSTs have fully recovered, the sub-surface waters largely have not. Note especially the large cool wake north of the Yucatan Channel:

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If this were to intensify in the GOM, it would upwell substantially cooler water relatively quickly.
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Re: Disturbance east of Bahamas

#59 Postby TheStormExpert » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:03 am

You do have to wonder if this could snag the name Sally before the wave that just emerged Africa?
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Re: Disturbance east of Bahamas

#60 Postby aspen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:11 am

TheStormExpert wrote:You do have to wonder if this could snag the name Sally before the wave that just emerged Africa?

That would mean major hurricane Teddy would be on its way. Imagine a monstrous long tracking Cat 4/5 hurricane named Teddy. You can’t get much more of a juxtaposition than that.
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