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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#181 Postby euro6208 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:02 am

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WDPN31 PGTW 291500
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TROPICAL STORM 22W (GONI) WARNING NR
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1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TYPHOON 22W (GONI), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 796 NM EAST OF MANILA,
PHILIPPINES, HAS TRACKED WESTWARD AT 12 KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX
HOURS. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL ENHANCED INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY
SHOWS A VERY COMPACT SYSTEM THAT CONTINUES TO RAPIDLY INTENSIFY,
WITH A NASCENT EYE FEATURE STARTING TO FORM JUST AFTER THE 1200Z
HOUR. THE INITIAL POSITION IS PLACED WITH HIGH CONFIDENCE BASED ON
TIMELY RECEIPT OF A 291200Z ASCAT-B BULLSEYE PASS, WHICH CLARIFIED
THE LLCC WHICH AT THAT TIME WAS STILL OBSCURED BY A CDO. THE INITIAL
INTENSITY IS SET WITH MODERATE CONFIDENCE AT 80 KNOTS, HEDGED HIGHER
THAN THE MULTI-AGENCY DVORAK CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATES OF T4.0 (65
KNOTS) FROM PGTW, RJTD AND KNES, WHICH ARE LAGGING BEHIND THE
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE ESTIMATE OF T4.7 (82 KNOTS) DUE TO THE
VERY COMPACT NATURE OF THE SYSTEM. TY 22W IS TRACKING WESTWARD UNDER
THE STEERING INFLUENCE OF A LARGE, DEEP-LAYER SUBTROPICAL RIDGE
(STR) WITH A NEW CENTER DEVELOPING JUST NORTHEAST OF TY 22W, PUSHING
IT BACK ONTO A WESTERLY COURSE A BIT FASTER THAN ANTICIPATED. TY
GONI CONTINUES MOVING THROUGH AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS HIGHLY
FAVORABLE FOR ADDITIONAL RAPID INTENSIFICATION, WITH VERY WARM (30-
31 DEG CELSIUS) WATERS WITH HIGH OHC VALUES (GREATER THAN 150), LOW
(5-10 KNOTS) VWS AND ROBUST RADIAL OUTFLOW WITH THE POLEWARD OUTFLOW
BEING ENHANCED AS IT TAPS INTO A AN UPPER-LEVEL MID-LATITUDE TROUGH
PASSING BY TO THE NORTH.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING MESSAGE..
B. TY 22W WILL CONTINUE TRACKING GENERALLY WESTWARD THROUGH TAU
12 UNDER THE STEERING INFLUENCE OF THE STR CENTER LOCATED TO THE
NORTHEAST. BY TAU 24 THE SYSTEM WILL TURN ONTO A WEST-SOUTHWEST THEN
SOUTHWESTERLY TRACK AS THE PRIMARY STEERING MECHANISM SHIFTS TO THE
STR CENTER LOCATED OVER FAR SOUTHERN CHINA. BY TAU 72 THE SYSTEM
RESUMES A WEST TO SLIGHTLY WEST-NORTHWEST TRACK AS THE STEERING
PATTERN SHIFTS ONCE MORE TO THE STR CENTER TO THE NORTHEAST. TY 22W
IS FORECAST TO CONTINUE ITS RAPID INTENSIFICATION THROUGH TAU 36
UNDER VERY FAVORABLE CONDITIONS OF VERY WARM (31 DEG CELSIUS) SSTS
AND VERY HIGH (GREATER THAN 150) OHC, AND LOW (5 TO 10 KNOTS) VWS,
PEAKING AT 130 KNOTS AT TAU 48. INCREASING VWS IN CONJUNCTION WITH
WEAKER AND LESS DIVERGENT OUTFLOW ALOFT WILL COMBINE TO BEGIN A
STEADY WEAKENING TREND WITH THE SYSTEM WEAKENING TO 115 KNOTS BY TAU
72. DYNAMIC MODEL GUIDANCE IS IN GOOD AGREEMENT WITH THE NOTABLE
EXCEPTION OF NAVGEM, WHICH CONTINUES ITS TREND OF BEING WELL NORTH
OF THE REMAINDER OF THE GUIDANCE PACKAGE. WHEN DISCOUNTING NAVGEM,
THE SPREAD AT TAU 72 IS JUST 80 NM, INCREASING TO 130 NM IF NAVGEM
IS INCLUDED. THE JTWC FORECAST TRACK LIES ALONG THE NORTHERN SIDE OF
THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE THROUGH TAU 72 WITH HIGH CONFIDENCE. INTENSITY
GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO STRONGLY INDICATE EXTREMELY RAPID
INTENSIFICATION AND THE JTWC FORECAST LIES ABOVE THE MAJORITY OF THE
INTENSITY CONSENSUS, CLOSE THE HWRF SOLUTION WITH HIGH CONFIDENCE.
C. BEYOND TAU 72, THE SYSTEM WILL TURN TOWARDS THE WEST-NORTHWEST
IN RESPONSE TO A SLIGHT WEAKENING IN THE STR, WITH LANDFALL IN
CENTRAL LUZON EXPECTED AROUND TAU 84 AS A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL
CYCLONE. AFTER LANDFALL AND TRANSIT ACROSS THE MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN
OF CENTRAL LUZON, THE SYSTEM WILL REEMERGE INTO THE SOUTH CHINA SEA
PRIOR TO TAU 96, ALBEIT AS A SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKENED TYPHOON DUE TO
COMBINED EFFECTS OF TERRAIN INTERACTION, INCREASED VWS AND
ENTRAINMENT OF COOLER AND DRIER AIR FROM THE NORTHEAST. THROUGH TAU
120, THE SYSTEM WILL CONTINUE TO WEAKEN UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF
MODERATE VWS AND CONTINUED ENTRAINMENT OF DRY MID-LEVEL AIR. DYNAMIC
MODEL GUIDANCE REMAINS IN GOOD OVERALL AGREEMENT THOUGH THE END OF
THE FORECAST WITH A CROSS-TRACK SPREAD OF 150 NM AT TAU 120.
HOWEVER, THE MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW A FAIRLY LARGE AMOUNT OF ALONG-
TRACK SPREAD AFTER TAU 96, AND THE JTWC FORECAST TRACK LIES ALONG
THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE MODEL GUIDANCE AND SLIGHTLY SLOWER THAN THE
MULTI-MODEL CONSENSUS WITH OVERALL LOW CONFIDENCE DUE TO THE
INCREASING ALONG-TRACK SPREAD.//
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#182 Postby euro6208 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:23 am

Very compact typhoon rapidly intensifying and these kind are a nightmare to satellite estimates?


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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#183 Postby ElectricStorm » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:34 am

I'm really glad this is forecast to weaken before landfall because I really think this is going to be a Cat 5. I'm usually pretty hesitant to call for storms becoming Cat 5's bit there's just so much rocket fuel out there
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#184 Postby aspen » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:36 am

JTWC says 80 kt, but seeing that <-75C CDO with a tiny eye warming up (now around -55C) makes me think this is probably 90-100 kt. We’ll likely have a Cat4 by the end of the day at this rate.
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#185 Postby NotoSans » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:40 am

Sometimes it’s not Dvorak underestimating storms (although it occasionally does, and occasionally overestimates - see Zeta near landfall for a recent example), but agencies perform Dvorak so poorly. And if you get the initial estimates wrong, your later estimates will be heavily constrained when the eye pops out.
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#186 Postby euro6208 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:14 am

TPPN12 PGTW 291506

A. TYPHOON 22W (GONI)

B. 29/1430Z

C. 16.49N

D. 134.02E

E. THREE/HMWRI8

F. T5.0/5.0/D/24HRS

G. IR/EIR

H. REMARKS: 09A/PBO RAGGED EYE/ANMTN. MG EYE SURROUNDED BY B
YIELDS AN E# AND DT (NO EYE ADJUSTMENT) OF 5.5. MET AND PT YIELD
5.0. CONSTRAINTS BROKEN. DBO MET.

I. ADDITIONAL POSITIONS: NONE


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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#187 Postby aspen » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:24 am

Pinhole on microwave. The HWRF was right.
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#188 Postby mrbagyo » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:36 am

aspen wrote:Where can I find WPac system IR imagery in the same filter as the ones on Tropical Tidbits?

use SSEC Real Earth - Global Infrared-Tops or use weathernerds storm floaters
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#189 Postby euro6208 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:44 am

eye continues to cool and cloud tops cooling...oh dear.
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#190 Postby ElectricStorm » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:45 am


The HWRF has nailed the structure of most of the storms this year... So those low 900mb runs for Atsani may end up being pretty close
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#191 Postby mrbagyo » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:53 am

Raw T has gone up to 6.0
CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
4.7 / 974.2mb/ 82.2kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
4.7 5.2 6.0
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#192 Postby NotoSans » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:59 am

I recommend using easterlywave for WPAC storm floaters.
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#193 Postby Iceresistance » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:04 am

150 mph peak on Goni, it's now a typhoon.

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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#194 Postby aspen » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:05 am

Turns out Goni isn't going pinhole -- it's just slightly larger. The "pinhole" was a warmer spot within the slightly larger eye, and this is confirmed by IR and microwave. This should hopefully make satellite estimates easier and more reliable.
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#195 Postby euro6208 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:07 am

aspen wrote:Turns out Goni isn't going pinhole -- it's just slightly larger. The "pinhole" was a warmer spot within the slightly larger eye, and this is confirmed by IR and microwave. This should hopefully make satellite estimates easier and more reliable.
https://i.imgur.com/uBscSEd.png


If it was pinhole all hell broke lose as estimates have a hard time with pinholes let alone compact systems.

Thankfully. :lol:
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#196 Postby Iceresistance » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:08 am

euro6208 wrote:
aspen wrote:Turns out Goni isn't going pinhole -- it's just slightly larger. The "pinhole" was a warmer spot within the slightly larger eye, and this is confirmed by IR and microwave. This should hopefully make satellite estimates easier and more reliable.
https://i.imgur.com/uBscSEd.png


If it was pinhole all hell broke lose as estimates have a hard time with pinholes let alone compact systems.

Thankfully. :lol:

Try Delta
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#197 Postby euro6208 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:13 am

Iceresistance wrote:
euro6208 wrote:
aspen wrote:Turns out Goni isn't going pinhole -- it's just slightly larger. The "pinhole" was a warmer spot within the slightly larger eye, and this is confirmed by IR and microwave. This should hopefully make satellite estimates easier and more reliable.
https://i.imgur.com/uBscSEd.png


If it was pinhole all hell broke lose as estimates have a hard time with pinholes let alone compact systems.

Thankfully. :lol:

Try Delta


Another Atlantic storm leading estimates.

Delta led SATCON and Dvorak.

Recon...
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#198 Postby ElectricStorm » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:15 am

Personal forecast peak for Goni: 140kts/920mb.

I'm very bullish with this one as it looks like it's in a big RI phase right now. We'll see what happens but I think a Cat 5 is likely out of this.
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#199 Postby aspen » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:05 pm

12z HWRF gets down to 928 mbar tomorrow.
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Re: WPAC: GONI - Severe Tropical Storm

#200 Postby ElectricStorm » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:07 pm

Eye popping out on IR. Off to the races
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