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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6921 Postby SoupBone » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:18 pm

After all of this crap, I will start a GoFundMe to build Wxman57's "Wall of Impenetrable Heat" that will be manned by large fire breathing dragons, and molten lava creatures. I love cold weather, and the occasional flurry or light snow, but this crap is ridiculous. I guess it's why I visit Colorado for skiing but love coming back home.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6922 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:19 pm

VERY INTENSE 2-3 inch per hour snowfall rate being picked up on radar on I-20 east of Midland, TX
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6923 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:22 pm

SoupBone wrote:After all of this crap, I will start a GoFundMe to build Wxman57's "Wall of Impenetrable Heat" that will be manned by large fire breathing dragons, and molten lava creatures. I love cold weather, and the occasional flurry or light snow, but this crap is ridiculous. I guess it's why I visit Colorado for skiing but love coming back home.

Don't worry, Temperatures are going to be in the 60s next week with the help of Heat Miser (Wxman57) . . .

Love the cold, but there is always to a certain point where it's no longer fun anymore.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6924 Postby Portastorm » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:22 pm

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Has anybody figured out yet how some areas get rolling blackouts and others permanent blackouts. I was lucky to get a brief 1.5hr window but other Austin areas east and south have not been turned on and their water lines are bursting. After mine came on for a minute the governor was talking on kxan news and said within 2 hours everything is ok and those others will get theres back on. Nope instead within 2hrs mine went out and theirs stayed off.


Around here at least it's if you're sharing grid with essential service, like a hospital. I am in Windsor Park and 33 hours without power. A friend close in the newer Mueller district has had power, probably because they share with Dell Children's hospital.


Yes I get it that if you share a grid with a hospital or treatment plant your power never goes off. But I thought a rolling blackout for the rest of us meant that the power would be cutoff temporarily each hour for maybe up to an hour and then back on again for an hour as another area took its sacrifice. Instead they just flip the switch off and never rotated.


After reading some news articles about this debacle, I think what happened was Austin Energy (along with other service providers statewide) were in the process of doing their rolling blackouts and at a certain stage they were told by ERCOT that they couldn't get any additional power so the whole rolling blackout thing got stuck. Service providers shed and add loads (customer electricity) during the process and it's kinda a give and take system for the state. Well, when a number of natural gas facilities froze up ... the additional planned power to help the cycle along didn't happen. So the system broke down ... and those without power stayed without power.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6925 Postby utpmg » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:23 pm

utweather wrote:
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Has anybody figured out yet how some areas get rolling blackouts and others permanent blackouts. I was lucky to get a brief 1.5hr window but other Austin areas east and south have not been turned on and their water lines are bursting. After mine came on for a minute the governor was talking on kxan news and said within 2 hours everything is ok and those others will get theres back on. Nope instead within 2hrs mine went out and theirs stayed off.


Around here at least it's if you're sharing grid with essential service, like a hospital. I am in Windsor Park and 33 hours without power. A friend close in the newer Mueller district has had power, probably because they share with Dell Children's hospital.


Yes I get it that if you share a grid with a hospital or treatment plant your power never goes off. But I thought a rolling blackout for the rest of us meant that the power would be cutoff temporarily each hour for maybe up to an hour and then back on again for an hour as another area took its sacrifice. Instead they just flip the switch off and never rotated.

Yeah, that's why I wish they'd stop calling it "rolling". My understanding has been Austin is not allowed to get most people back online by ERCOT rules. All I know is I'm glad I have a lot of camping gear.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6926 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:24 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
SoupBone wrote:After all of this crap, I will start a GoFundMe to build Wxman57's "Wall of Impenetrable Heat" that will be manned by large fire breathing dragons, and molten lava creatures. I love cold weather, and the occasional flurry or light snow, but this crap is ridiculous. I guess it's why I visit Colorado for skiing but love coming back home.

Don't worry, Temperatures are going to be in the 60s next week with the help of Heat Miser (Wxman57) . . .

Love the cold, but there is always to a certain point where it's no longer fun anymore.

I love this weather, I can’t get enough of it. But what I can’t stand is the strain it puts on our electric infrastructure. Thinking I’ll move to Colorado at some point.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6927 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:27 pm

Iceresistance wrote:VERY INTENSE 2-3 inch per hour snowfall rate being picked up on radar on I-20 east of Midland, TX


This is the next system. It has more moisture to work with than the last system.

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6928 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:28 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
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SoupBone wrote:After all of this crap, I will start a GoFundMe to build Wxman57's "Wall of Impenetrable Heat" that will be manned by large fire breathing dragons, and molten lava creatures. I love cold weather, and the occasional flurry or light snow, but this crap is ridiculous. I guess it's why I visit Colorado for skiing but love coming back home.

Don't worry, Temperatures are going to be in the 60s next week with the help of Heat Miser (Wxman57) . . .

Love the cold, but there is always to a certain point where it's no longer fun anymore.

I love this weather, I can’t get enough of it. But what I can’t stand is the strain it puts on our electric infrastructure. Thinking I’ll move to Colorado at some point.

What is going on right now was WORSE that expected, they did not expect prolonged cold at all & the Power Stations to freeze up . . .
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6929 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:29 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:VERY INTENSE 2-3 inch per hour snowfall rate being picked up on radar on I-20 east of Midland, TX


This is the next system. It has more moisture to work with than the last system.

https://i.imgur.com/bprnF3g.gif

Just noticed 3 radar stations down in Central Texas?
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6930 Postby utweather » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:30 pm

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Around here at least it's if you're sharing grid with essential service, like a hospital. I am in Windsor Park and 33 hours without power. A friend close in the newer Mueller district has had power, probably because they share with Dell Children's hospital.


Yes I get it that if you share a grid with a hospital or treatment plant your power never goes off. But I thought a rolling blackout for the rest of us meant that the power would be cutoff temporarily each hour for maybe up to an hour and then back on again for an hour as another area took its sacrifice. Instead they just flip the switch off and never rotated.


After reading some news articles about this debacle, I think what happened was Austin Energy (along with other service providers statewide) were in the process of doing their rolling blackouts and at a certain stage they were told by ERCOT that they couldn't get any additional power so the whole rolling blackout thing got stuck. Service providers shed and add loads (customer electricity) during the process and it's kinda a give and take system for the state. Well, when a number of natural gas facilities froze up ... the additional planned power to help the cycle along didn't happen. So the system broke down ... and those without power stayed without power.


The President approved state of emergency 2 days ago. Can Austin Energy tap federal emergency energy access and sidestep ERCOT?
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6931 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:32 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
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Iceresistance wrote:VERY INTENSE 2-3 inch per hour snowfall rate being picked up on radar on I-20 east of Midland, TX


This is the next system. It has more moisture to work with than the last system.

https://i.imgur.com/bprnF3g.gif

Just noticed 3 radar stations down in Central Texas?


It's possible as without power they would not likely be able to operate.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6932 Postby ElectricStorm » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:35 pm

Just had our 4th coldest temperature on record here north of Tulsa. Coming in at -13F this morning. Back up to 5F currently
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6933 Postby wxman22 » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:40 pm

Im getting more concerned with the potential for a major ice storm in central, and east/southeast Texas tonight.Models are coming in more aggressive with ice accumulations.And theirs already a lot of people without power and unfortunately there will be more with this storm.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6934 Postby jasons2k » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:47 pm

SoupBone wrote:After all of this crap, I will start a GoFundMe to build Wxman57's "Wall of Impenetrable Heat" that will be manned by large fire breathing dragons, and molten lava creatures. I love cold weather, and the occasional flurry or light snow, but this crap is ridiculous. I guess it's why I visit Colorado for skiing but love coming back home.


Amen to that. Last week -- I posted either here or on the local forum 'Be careful what you wish for. It's all fun and games until the power goes out.'

We've been lucky so far but I am betting we lose it in tonight's storm. The Ice Man cometh....
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6935 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:58 pm

Radar is picking up a strange MCV near Lubbock, TX . . .
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6936 Postby SoupBone » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:02 pm

jasons2k wrote:
SoupBone wrote:After all of this crap, I will start a GoFundMe to build Wxman57's "Wall of Impenetrable Heat" that will be manned by large fire breathing dragons, and molten lava creatures. I love cold weather, and the occasional flurry or light snow, but this crap is ridiculous. I guess it's why I visit Colorado for skiing but love coming back home.


Amen to that. Last week -- I posted either here or on the local forum 'Be careful what you wish for. It's all fun and games until the power goes out.'

We've been lucky so far but I am betting we lose it in tonight's storm. The Ice Man cometh....


Some of my friends in The Woodlands lost power in the initial rolling blackout and it still hasn't returned yet. So far, the forecast seems to affect more areas to the north, but who knows if that holds or not. One saving grace might be that the full sun today has completely removed all ice on the lines and trees in my neighborhood (NW Houston), so we'd be basically starting fresh again for the lines.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6937 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:03 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:VERY INTENSE 2-3 inch per hour snowfall rate being picked up on radar on I-20 east of Midland, TX


This is the next system. It has more moisture to work with than the last system.

https://i.imgur.com/bprnF3g.gif


Overall, guidance looks good but will depend on ratios and who changes over to ice. Not as juiced as it looked earlier in the week but many will probably see more qpf, esp N & E.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6938 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:05 pm

wxman22 wrote:Im getting more concerned with the potential for a major ice storm in central, and east/southeast Texas tonight.Models are coming in more aggressive with ice accumulations.And theirs already a lot of people without power and unfortunately there will be more with this storm.


Add Central & N. Louisiana to that list. Looks like a significant ice storm for all those areas.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6939 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:10 pm

16z HRRR looks good for everyone north of I-20. Also, precipitation on radar looks to be tracking a bit south of what that run is showing.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6940 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:11 pm

Iceresistance wrote:Well, I might be one of the lucky ones here, never lost power even though I'm in the countryside, I have CVEC (Canadian Valley) as the one who supplies power to my home . . .

I feel really bad for those who don't have power, this is the Storm of the Century.

Normally it's either extreme cold or extreme snow & usually rolling blackouts are not needed, but this is a extreme case of both extreme cold & snow & rolling blackouts are needed to prevent overloading . . .


Final cost on the local and state economy will be in the billions if not tens of billions. Probably up there with the big hurricanes. Commerce has largely halted as well as many businesses losing power. No doubt the the most expensive cold snap in state history.
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