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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6961 Postby GeauxTigers » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:36 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:Keller schools fully closed all week, no virtual. Honestly surprised they aren't even trying to do virtual at least Friday, but they are really trying to get that people will have to fix pipes, the power outages etc. I respect that. They usually are the last to decide, so pretty unusual.


Yea my school district where i teach has cancelled thru Thursday with no virtual classes & will make decision on Friday. I think districts r trying to respect those who haven’t had power for 30+ hours now & may not have it still by Friday. No way to do virtual if kids have no power/wifi.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6962 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:37 pm

bubba hotep wrote:18z HRRR, even a slight south shift hammers all of DFW.

https://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/hrrr/2021021618/025/snku_acc.us_sc.png


Only need 2-3" to cover these foot tracks on the snow to be a clean blanket again.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6963 Postby EnnisTx » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:38 pm

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LearnedHat wrote:Seems that coal and natural gas plants (when was the last one constructed?) have worked fine through many single digit days and nights over the last 40 years. I wonder what changed? I also know that wind had some issues (high winds, glazed blades, etc.p)



Iceresistance wrote:What is going on right now was WORSE that expected, they did not expect prolonged cold at all & the Power Stations to freeze up . . .


It's been long duration cold snap and effected the entire state. During past cold blasts it was one or two regions with the exceptional cold (usually west Texas and panhandle) while the rest is short lived and quickly warms up. The warmer part of the state usually holds up the demand. Also nearly all of last week it was already cold and below freezing for nearly the top 2/3rds of the state before the big cold. The amount of real estate it covers. Then you send in ice/snow/wind to do the rest of the bidding.



Yes it has, we're going on 36 hours now without power at the house and just hoping the pipes have survived! On another note, it looks like we called the low temp for last night at -2
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6964 Postby gpsnowman » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:42 pm

The snow out west is rapidly moving northeast is seems, and developed much earlier than I thought.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6965 Postby AubreyStorm » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:42 pm

bubba hotep wrote:18z HRRR, even a slight south shift hammers all of DFW.

https://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/hrrr/2021021618/025/snku_acc.us_sc.png



Tomorrow?
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6966 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:43 pm

opticsguy wrote:My thoughts:

Didn't we see this extreme cold on the GFS almost 2 weeks out? "Yes, but the [almighty] Euro doesn't agree, so the GFS is wrong". I think the desire to believe the Euro over all models caused a paralysis until it was too late to prepare (under 4 days).

As for the rolling blackouts, in the 45 minutes my power is on, I'm running the furnace, microwave, whatever I need to survive the next hour without electricity, so I think if you average it out, over the day I'm using the same number of kWh. Late this morning I had the power come on and off a half dozen times in an hour and finally I pulled the breaker on my furnace and refrigerator. Maybe that's the plan; power surge after power surge until everyone's appliances break.

My thoughts:

When the cold was 7 days out & the GFS was showing it, but the Euro was saying "What cold!?"

I was like "The chance of extreme cold & winter storms is now within the range of most models now, the Euro is saying that it's very unlikely while all others are going crazy with this thing"

4 days before the cold:

"The Euro is not complying with the other models right now, I must prepare for the Polar Vortex right now because nature has a mind of it's own"

24 hours after being below freezing:

"it's very cold outside now, the Euro is still saying that it's does not even exist while other models keep pushing it even closer to Houston & Dallas, at least I got ready for the cold"

Being below freezing for 4 days

"The Euro has Finally accepted that the cold will stick around for several days now, even thoguh that the GFS agreed with the long-term cold 2 days before. But the Temperatures have been busting lower than expected, and some models have noticed it too, but jeez.

2 days before the "Storm of the Century"

"The GFS-Para is going absolutely crazy with 3 feet of snow in Central Oklahoma, I'm REALLY hoping that 3 feet of snow is impossible my goodness, even though I'm saying that the GFS is more accurate comapared to the Para, the Euro is still not complying with all other models, the GFS may be the winner at THIS rate!"
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6967 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:46 pm

gpsnowman wrote:The snow out west is rapidly moving northeast is seems, and developed much earlier than I thought.

And developing east too, it has just reached Hollis, OK (In SW Oklahoma)
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6968 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:49 pm

Does it look to anyone else like the coverage of the precip out west is larger than the models are depicting? Wondering if it might have to do with the limited amount of radar data out that way
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6969 Postby Brent » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:59 pm

AubreyStorm wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:18z HRRR, even a slight south shift hammers all of DFW.

https://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/hrrr/2021021618/025/snku_acc.us_sc.png



Tomorrow?


Mostly tonight and early morning. Probably by lunch tomorrow it'll be over
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6970 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:02 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:Does it look to anyone else like the coverage of the precip out west is larger than the models are depicting? Wondering if it might have to do with the limited amount of radar data out that way


Looks like it to me. Though I'm not sure how much of the southern end is reaching the ground.

Also DFW's high today was lowered, we're barely going to make 20F today and stay in the teens. 18F right now at the airport. Yet a third day where the afternoon was in the teens.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6971 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:04 pm

Ntxw wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:Does it look to anyone else like the coverage of the precip out west is larger than the models are depicting? Wondering if it might have to do with the limited amount of radar data out that way


Looks like it to me. Though I'm not sure how much of the southern end is reaching the ground.

Also DFW's high today was lowered, we're barely going to make 20F today and stay in the teens. 18F right now at the airport. Yet a third day where the afternoon was in the teens.


Snowflakes are flying at my house, it's already here :double:
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6972 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:06 pm

Models also had the 850mb 0c retreat and warm today that has also not been the case. Arctic dome continues to bully. it's going to be all snow.

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6973 Postby txtwister78 » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:13 pm

More freezing rain tonight and potentially some more sleet and snow tomorrow night across South Central Texas. It's been a wild 6 days across this area along with the entire state. I have no doubt many Texans will be looking forward to Spring after this event is over. Hang in there everyone!

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6974 Postby somethingfunny » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:15 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:For SE Tx folks:
It seems the coldest push of air will be on Sunday, when a lobe of the PV phases with the northern stream, it slings the HP down the Plains. This push of cold air bring the temps into frozen precip territory. Mon/Tuesday looks key for some funk to come to town.

I'll have some fun, I think Sugar Land will reach 16 degrees. DFW will be 5. Let's see.

As a wealth manager, I'm buying nat gas this morning since it really isn't moving much. Most traders use the Euro as their barometer on energy usage.


I'll circle back to this post from Feb. 9, last Tuesday. I don't know enough about the energy futures market to say anything except it's interesting to see that the price of natural gas wasn't reacting to the extreme forecasts last week.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6975 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:18 pm

somethingfunny wrote:
TeamPlayersBlue wrote:For SE Tx folks:
It seems the coldest push of air will be on Sunday, when a lobe of the PV phases with the northern stream, it slings the HP down the Plains. This push of cold air bring the temps into frozen precip territory. Mon/Tuesday looks key for some funk to come to town.

I'll have some fun, I think Sugar Land will reach 16 degrees. DFW will be 5. Let's see.

As a wealth manager, I'm buying nat gas this morning since it really isn't moving much. Most traders use the Euro as their barometer on energy usage.


I'll circle back to this post from Feb. 9, last Tuesday. I don't know enough about the energy futures market to say anything except it's interesting to see that the price of natural gas wasn't reacting to the extreme forecasts last week.


ECMWF aka the Euro. Markets and traders heavily rely on it.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6976 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:20 pm

18z 3k NAM is off its rocker with those low totals, has to be being affected by the lack of radar data
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#6977 Postby ZeroGee » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:21 pm

There was a scene in “Atlas Shrugged” with a similar sentiment.

Tradition is a set of solutions for problems a society has forgotten.

LearnedHat wrote:Seems that coal and natural gas plants (when was the last one constructed?) have worked fine through many single digit days and nights over the last 40 years. I wonder what changed? I also know that wind had some issues (high winds, glazed blades, etc.p)



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cheezyWXguy wrote:I love this weather, I can’t get enough of it. But what I can’t stand is the strain it puts on our electric infrastructure. Thinking I’ll move to Colorado at some point.

What is going on right now was WORSE that expected, they did not expect prolonged cold at all & the Power Stations to freeze up . . .
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6978 Postby Texas Snowman » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:29 pm

Ntxw wrote:
somethingfunny wrote:
TeamPlayersBlue wrote:For SE Tx folks:
It seems the coldest push of air will be on Sunday, when a lobe of the PV phases with the northern stream, it slings the HP down the Plains. This push of cold air bring the temps into frozen precip territory. Mon/Tuesday looks key for some funk to come to town.

I'll have some fun, I think Sugar Land will reach 16 degrees. DFW will be 5. Let's see.

As a wealth manager, I'm buying nat gas this morning since it really isn't moving much. Most traders use the Euro as their barometer on energy usage.


I'll circle back to this post from Feb. 9, last Tuesday. I don't know enough about the energy futures market to say anything except it's interesting to see that the price of natural gas wasn't reacting to the extreme forecasts last week.


ECMWF aka the Euro. Markets and traders heavily rely on it.


This is all severe enough that there doesn’t need to be much human mishandling to turn something from being simply bad into something that could be tragic. A few stories out there are painting a bad look for some of the state’s power people.

If any of them have much substance, then maybe this...

:darrow:

Dear power company executives,

In the 1830s, it was “Remember the Alamo!” In 2021, it will be “Remember ERCOT!”

From some of the things we’re reading, y’all might want to lawyer up and update your resumes.

Signed, a bunch of tired, cold and angry Texans
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6979 Postby jasons2k » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:32 pm

Lots of factors but one big one — a lot more people live in Texas now than 40 years ago.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#6980 Postby Quixotic » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:33 pm

I’m not sleeping on tonight’s storm. It’s the finale so I expect higher totals than what they’re predicting.
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