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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#361 Postby presidentofyes12 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:47 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
presidentofyes12 wrote:https://pipe.miroware.io/5ea73c85ba35b8055638eb96/hwrf_satIR_97L_21.png
Here's a simulated IR satellite forecast from the HWRF model. It's wind speeds here are about 128 mph.


Oh my, that is close to how strong Dennis was in 2005!


Yeah, about 10 mph lower than Dennis at its (2nd) Cuba landfall.
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#362 Postby galaxy401 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:48 pm

Welp here we go again. While people are discussing whether SAL or the East Caribbean graveyard will hinder it, I'm curious if its fast forward speed is going to cause problems. A lot of those MDR systems, particularly early in the season, struggle due to its fast motion.
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#363 Postby AxaltaRacing24 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:49 pm

presidentofyes12 wrote:https://pipe.miroware.io/5ea73c85ba35b8055638eb96/hwrf_satIR_97L_21.png
Here's a simulated IR satellite forecast from the HWRF model. It's wind speeds here are about 128 mph.

I know some of us have been laughing these forecasts off early on, but if anything, both the HWRF and the HMON are showing a stronger storm near Cuba every run.
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#364 Postby emeraldislenc » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:49 pm

NHC will begin initiating advisories at 5.
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#365 Postby presidentofyes12 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:52 pm

First PTC advisory issued:
"...TROPICAL DISTURBANCE IN THE ATLANTIC BECOMING BETTER ORGANIZED... ...TROPICAL STORM WATCHES ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE LESSER ANTILLES..."
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#366 Postby floridasun78 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:53 pm

we not supprise that nhc want issue that at 4pm
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#367 Postby Kazmit » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:53 pm

Well, they don't dissipate it
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#368 Postby Cat5James » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:54 pm

Elsa by 11 pm
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#369 Postby eastcoastFL » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:56 pm

No H, yet…

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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#370 Postby AlphaToOmega » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:56 pm

When I wake up next morning, I think this system will be Tropical Storm Elsa
(It is currently 16:56 where I live right now)
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#371 Postby AutoPenalti » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:57 pm

Looks like it gradually intensifies before it meets the islands, noting some uncertainties with each model

INIT 30/2100Z 9.6N 43.7W 30 KT 35 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE
12H 01/0600Z 10.2N 46.6W 35 KT 40 MPH...TROPICAL CYCLONE
24H 01/1800Z 11.1N 51.0W 40 KT 45 MPH
36H 02/0600Z 12.4N 56.0W 45 KT 50 MPH
48H 02/1800Z 13.8N 61.2W 45 KT 50 MPH
60H 03/0600Z 15.4N 66.3W 50 KT 60 MPH
72H 03/1800Z 17.0N 70.9W 50 KT 60 MPH
96H 04/1800Z 20.0N 77.0W 50 KT 60 MPH...INLAND
120H 05/1800Z 22.5N 81.5W 50 KT 60 MPH...INLAND

The initial motion is 285/18. The disturbance is currently on the
south side of a strong subtropical ridge, and for the next 72 h the
system should move rapidly west-northwestward. Indeed, the forward
speed may exceed 25 kt as the system moves through the Lesser
Antilles. There is excellent agreement in the guidance on this
part of the forecast track. After 72 h, the system is expected to
approach a weakness in the ridge caused by a mid-latitude trough
over the eastern United States. The should cause the system to slow
its forward speed and turn more northwestward. The track guidance
become more diverse during this time in regards to how far north
the system will turn, and this part of the NHC forecast track is
most similar to the GFS and UKMET forecasts. Note that the track
forecast is more uncertain than usual since the system does not yet
have a well-defined center.

The disturbance is currently in a favorable upper-level wind
pattern. However, most Atlantic systems in this area moving near 25
kt have trouble strengthening, and there are indications that the
fast forward speed may produce some westerly shear. Thus, the NHC
intensity forecast for the first 72 h is near the lower edge of the
intensity guidance. After 72 h, the intensity forecast becomes
highly uncertain due to possible land interaction and differences in
the model forecasts of the upper-level winds. This portion of the
NHC intensity forecast maintains a constant 50-kt intensity due to
the level of uncertainty.
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#372 Postby AxaltaRacing24 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:58 pm

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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#373 Postby aspen » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:58 pm


They’re pretty conservative with PTC5/Elsa for now due to its high foreword motion that could cause shear, precedence for fast moving systems weakening around the Caribbean, and possible land interaction or landfall(s) in the 4-5 day range.
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#374 Postby rwfromkansas » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:59 pm

We booked a trip to Turks and Caicos recently. Um, hope this goes south. We are flying in Tuesday afternoon.

I thought based on climo and dust dominating I was safe. Nope.

As long as it doesn’t go mega, I am hoping they are right that it will not impact much that far north. Luckily I got the trip insurance since it’s required to travel there.
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#375 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:00 pm

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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#376 Postby presidentofyes12 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:06 pm



As someone said in the "models" forum for ptc5, it looks more like this every minute:

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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#377 Postby SFLcane » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:10 pm

presidentofyes12 wrote:


As someone said in the "models" forum for ptc5, it looks more like this every minute:

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hwrf/2021063012/hwrf_satIR_97L_4.png


Wow that’s insane almost spot on.
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#378 Postby AJC3 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:28 pm

Gang, try to keep the OT sidebar/chit-chat to a minimum.

The mods and admins are going to start moving posts out of here if they start clogging up the thread. Thanks.
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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#379 Postby AutoPenalti » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:30 pm

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Re: ATL: FIVE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#380 Postby SFLcane » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:35 pm

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