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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#521 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:23 am

aspen wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:https://i.imgur.com/81PFcK6.png

6z GFS is strongest run yet. Track also rapidly shifting west and now in line with the ECMWF.

It’s also coming from a rather low latitude, so it’ll be within very high (29-30C) SSTs pretty early on and could have the chance for significant intensification there. However, this is a cool neutral ENSO year, and everything else has been struggling as much as in 2020, so I’d say there’s a decent chance this storm follows suit.


It's a hybrid +/- ENSO year similar to 2017. 2017 had quite a few majors. Even the crappiest of years like 2010 had a major when the track allowed it.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#522 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:36 pm

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
1100 AM PDT Fri Jul 9 2021

For the eastern North Pacific...east of 140 degrees west longitude:

A broad area of low pressure is expected to form several hundred
miles south-southwest of the southern coast of Mexico in a few
days. Any subsequent development of this system is expected to be
gradual as it moves westward or west-northwestward at 10 to 15 mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...20 percent.

Another area of low pressure is expected to form south of the Gulf
of Tehuantepec by the middle of next week. Environmental conditions
are expected to support gradual development of this system
thereafter while it moves generally west-northwestward at 10 to 15
mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...30 percent.

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#523 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:37 pm

aspen wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:https://i.imgur.com/81PFcK6.png

6z GFS is strongest run yet. Track also rapidly shifting west and now in line with the ECMWF.

It’s also coming from a rather low latitude, so it’ll be within very high (29-30C) SSTs pretty early on and could have the chance for significant intensification there. However, this is a cool neutral ENSO year, and everything else has been struggling as much as in 2020, so I’d say there’s a decent chance this storm follows suit.


Given the next CCKW isn’t expected to be long lasting, I agree that a long tracked hurricane as modeled by the GFS isn’t terribly likely. Genesis could occur reasonably fast given the CCKW is fast approaching the system however.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#524 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:39 pm

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12z ECMWF almost drops the westward system but still shows the eastward one.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#525 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:10 pm

Still pretty good ensembles support for both systems on the 12z EPS.

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If there can be some extended ridging over the EPAC, both systems have a great shot at forming and becoming hurricanes. The second system in particular can be a huge ACE maker if it can get into the CPAC and die there vs lifting NW and dying in the subtropics.
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#526 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:06 pm

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#527 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:13 pm

:uarrow: Still 10 days out but the models need to show a stronger ridge if this is going to become a decent major hurricane like Fernanda 2017 or Barbara 2019.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#528 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:15 pm

The GFS is still not developing the first AOI but its pretty weird how it completely missed in the first place and the Euro/CMC doing a better job in detecting it. It's usually the opposite.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#529 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:23 pm

Kingarabian wrote::uarrow: Still 10 days out but the models need to show a stronger ridge if this is going to become a decent major hurricane like Fernanda 2017 or Barbara 2019.


GFS has been trending more south at a pretty quick rate though. If that continues a potent system will appear more plausible just because PMM is so -. I’m still skeptical that stable air won’t be a problem like it is in most quantity-heavy seasons.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#530 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:24 pm

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
500 PM PDT Fri Jul 9 2021

For the eastern North Pacific...east of 140 degrees west longitude:

1. A broad area of low pressure is expected to form several hundred
miles south-southwest of the southern coast of Mexico by early next
week. Additional development of this system is expected to be slow
to occur while moving westward or west-northwestward at 10 to 15
mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...20 percent.

2. Another area of low pressure is expected to form south of the Gulf
of Tehuantepec by the middle of next week. Environmental conditions
are expected to support gradual development of this system
thereafter while moving generally west-northwestward at 10 to 15
mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...30 percent.

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#531 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:03 pm

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18z GFS shows a long range system near the end of the run again.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#532 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:10 pm

UKMET develops both systems:
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#533 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:36 pm

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0z GFS has a westward system although weaker.

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Makes the eastward system 948 mbar.
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#534 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:29 am

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0z CMC has both systems.
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#535 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:38 am

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ICON also now on board.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#536 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:38 am

000
ABPZ20 KNHC 100530
TWOEP

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
1100 PM PDT Fri Jul 9 2021

For the eastern North Pacific...east of 140 degrees west longitude:

An area of low pressure is expected to develop south of the Gulf of
Tehuantepec by the middle of next week. Environmental conditions are
expected to support gradual development of this system thereafter
while it moves generally west-northwestward at 10 to 15 mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...40 percent.

Another area of low pressure is expected to form several hundred
miles south-southwest of the southern coast of Mexico by early next
week. Development of this system should to be slow to occur while
moving westward or west-northwestward at 10 to 15 mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...20 percent.

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#537 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:36 am

00z Euro continues with the two systems:
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#538 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:01 am

000
ABPZ20 KNHC 101144
TWOEP

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
500 AM PDT Sat Jul 10 2021

For the eastern North Pacific...east of 140 degrees west longitude:

An area of low pressure is expected to develop south or southeast
of the Gulf of Tehuantepec in a few days. Environmental conditions
are expected support gradual development of this system therafter
and a tropical depression could form during the middle portion of
next week. This system is expected to move generally westward or
west-northwestward at 10 to 15 mph through the end of the five day
period.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...50 percent.

Another area of low pressure is expected to form several hundred
miles southwest of the southern coast of Mexico by early next
week. Some slow development of this system will be possible while
it moves westward or west-northwestward at 10 to 15 mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...20 percent.

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#539 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:33 am

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6z GFS brings this to 950 mbar.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#540 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:22 pm

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12z GFS is the strongest run yet and has both systems.

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12z CMC has backed off and shows just one system.
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