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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#241 Postby Teban54 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:14 am

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WTPZ41 KNHC 161433
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Hurricane Felicia Discussion Number 10
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP062021
800 AM PDT Fri Jul 16 2021

Compact Hurricane Felicia has continued to rapidly strengthen this
morning with a well-defined, warm (>15C) clear eye now evident in
infrared satellite imagery. However, the convective cloud tops
surrounding the eye have warmed by almost 10 deg C during the past
several hours, and a 1022Z ATMS microwave satellite pass showed the
inner core convection a little less organized. Subjective satellite
intensity estimates from TAFB and SAB were a consensus T6.0/115 kt
and objective estimates from UW-CIMSS ADT over the past couple of
hours have averaged T5.7/105 kt. The initial intensity is raised to
110 kt, and just below category 4 strength, for this advisory based
on a blend of the various satellite intensity estimates and the
slightly degraded aforementioned convective features.

Felicia is moving west-southwestward or 255/07 kt. Strong deep-layer
ridging to the north of the hurricane is expected to keep Felicia
moving west-southwestward for the next 12-24 h. Thereafter, the
global and regional models all show the ridge relaxing somewhat,
which should allow Felicia to move more westward in the 24-120-hour
forecast period. The new NHC track forecast is essentially on top of
and just an update of the previous advisory track, and lies near the
middle of the tightly packed simple and corrected consensus models
TVCE, GFEX, and NOAA-HCCA.

Some additional slight strengthening could occur this morning due to
low vertical shear and warm SSTs conditions, with Felicia briefly
becoming a category 4 hurricane. However, the warm water beneath the
powerful hurricane isn't very deep as indicated by upper-ocean heat
content values currently only around 5 units, which suggests that
cold upwelling could begin at any time during the next 12 hours.
Ocean heat content values are forecast to remain below 10 units from
24-96 hours, and decreasing to less than zero thereafter. Thus, slow
weakening is forecast to begin by 24 h and continue through the
remainder of the forecast period despite the favorable low (<10 kt)
vertical wind shear regime that Felicia will be moving through. The
new intensity forecast is similar to the previous advisory, and
closely follows the consensus intensity models NOAA-HCCA and IVCN.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 16/1500Z 15.0N 121.6W 110 KT 125 MPH
12H 17/0000Z 14.8N 122.7W 110 KT 125 MPH
24H 17/1200Z 13.1N 140.5W 105 KT 120 MPH
36H 18/0000Z 14.6N 126.0W 100 KT 115 MPH

48H 18/1200Z 14.7N 127.8W 90 KT 105 MPH
60H 19/0000Z 14.8N 129.6W 85 KT 100 MPH
72H 19/1200Z 14.8N 131.4W 80 KT 90 MPH
96H 20/1200Z 14.4N 135.0W 65 KT 75 MPH
120H 21/1200Z 13.7N 138.5W 55 KT 65 MPH

$$
Forecaster Stewart


Guess Stacy Stewart isn't as bullish all the time as how some people suggest every time he upgrades an ATL storm.
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#242 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:22 am

:uarrow: This is where he usually comes in clutch :D The main confusion is using ATMS for justification. ATMS has a completely incorrect depiction of Felici's inner structure:

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But like he said, there's still a chance for it to get Cat.4. Maybe a candidate for a post season upgrade if it never does reach it? It's too bad ADT has been so erratic with its fixes in the past few hours leading to the lower satellite estimate average than usual.
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#243 Postby EquusStorm » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:24 am

What a beauty. Gorgeous storm.

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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#244 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:27 am

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 16 JUL 2021 Time : 145032 UTC
Lat : 15:05:24 N Lon : 121:35:23 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
5.7 / 957.3mb/107.2kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
5.7 5.7 5.7

Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 15 km

Center Temp : +17.8C Cloud Region Temp : -59.1C

Scene Type : EYE
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#245 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:29 am

Pretty confident this is a Cat 4 right now. I know there isn't really the data to justify it but I would bet the house It's at least a 115kts storm.
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#246 Postby aspen » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:40 am

Now this reminds me a lot of Douglas: a 110/115 kt storm that looks to be much stronger but is never raised above that intensity. Felicia looks like a 120 kt storm, but so far there’s not enough data to justify it.
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#247 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:43 am

I think the storm is near or at peak intensity. She has stopped with convective bursts that would be necessary to increase cloud top heights and is holding a steady presentation. Should begin to slowly spin down after 24 hours or so.
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#248 Postby Sciencerocks » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:45 am

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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#249 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:46 am

InfernoFlameCat wrote:I think the storm is near or at peak intensity. She has stopped with convective bursts that would be necessary to increase cloud top heights and is holding a steady presentation. Should begin to slowly spin down after 24 hours or so.

Yeah. We'll see what happens because its moving WSW and waters are much warmer to the south.
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#250 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:02 am

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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#251 Postby cheezyWXguy » Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:14 am

Felicia may be trying to transition to annular, the feeder bands are becoming less prominent around that donut core and warm eye
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#252 Postby Shell Mound » Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:19 am

cheezyWXguy wrote:Felicia may be trying to transition to annular, the feeder bands are becoming less prominent around that donut core and warm eye

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The very low VWS + marginal thermodynamics → definitely conducive to an annular TC. Annular hurricanes also tend to be underestimated in their early stages.

Currently I think Felicia is rather similar to Daniel (2006) and a host of other annular EPAC systems, so I suspect that its actual MSW are ≥ 125 kt at this time.
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#253 Postby Shell Mound » Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:31 am

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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#254 Postby aspen » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:02 pm

Felicia’s eye temp is almost 18C and the CDO continues to look more and more symmetrical on visible imagery. Easy 115-120 kt Cat 4, maybe even 125 kt. However, ADT refuses to go above T#6.0 due to a relatively warm CDO (comparable to the issue with Dorian), and that will continue to drag down the mean intensity consensus from all of the different methods.
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#255 Postby Shell Mound » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:13 pm

aspen wrote:Felicia’s eye temp is almost 18C and the CDO continues to look more and more symmetrical on visible imagery. Easy 115-120 kt Cat 4, maybe even 125 kt. However, ADT refuses to go above T#6.0 due to a relatively warm CDO (comparable to the issue with Dorian), and that will continue to drag down the mean intensity consensus from all of the different methods.

Does ADT take annular characteristics into account?
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#256 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:16 pm

Shell Mound wrote:
aspen wrote:Felicia’s eye temp is almost 18C and the CDO continues to look more and more symmetrical on visible imagery. Easy 115-120 kt Cat 4, maybe even 125 kt. However, ADT refuses to go above T#6.0 due to a relatively warm CDO (comparable to the issue with Dorian), and that will continue to drag down the mean intensity consensus from all of the different methods.

Does ADT take annular characteristics into account?


No, just eye and CDO temperature.
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#257 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:44 pm

Looks like the SE quad of Felicia is flattening a little bit and eroding on vis/ir. As others have said may have peaked an hour or 2 ago. Temporary structural thing or beginning of the end? Still an impressive looking storm.
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#258 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:47 pm

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Holding steady at T6.0.
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Re: EPAC: FELICIA - Hurricane

#259 Postby aspen » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:54 pm

Fingers crossed that the manual SAB Dvorak fix isn’t garbage. This is easily a Cat 4.
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