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Re: 2021 Indicators: SST's / SAL / MSLP / Shear / Steering / Instability / Sat Images

#1761 Postby tolakram » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:02 am

Shell Mound wrote:
AxaltaRacing24 wrote:
SFLcane wrote:Holy cow now that some serious warming! :eek:

https://i.imgur.com/C9cEvlh.png

Freezing out there isn't it?

Personally I think the warming over the past four to five days is temporary. The long-term trend on the charts is negligible. One must look at the moving average for the entire period in question rather than short-term trends. Wait another week and a half and the warming will reverse, that is, revert to the long-term moving average. So far every short-term warming trend has reversed itself after a while. I doubt that this latest trend will be different from the rest, but we shall see. The Canary Current remains cool and all the TC activity in the CPAC is atypical of a -PMM/-ENSO combination.


Can you clarify TC activity in the CPAC?
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#1762 Postby SFLcane » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:23 am

Kingarabian wrote:Once the EPAC shuts down it should be all systems go for the Atlantic.



Just a question of if/when it does shut down. GFS is cranking them out for weeks it looks like.
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#1764 Postby AlphaToOmega » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:41 am

The reason why July has been so quiet is a combination of an unfavorable MJO and SAL. Come August, the MJO will become more favorable, and the SAL will subside.
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#1765 Postby aspen » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:09 am

SFLcane wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Once the EPAC shuts down it should be all systems go for the Atlantic.



Just a question of if/when it does shut down. GFS is cranking them out for weeks it looks like.

Might be MJO and long-range bias still. I highly doubt those two majors verify, because that’s how Guillermo and the 0/40 AOI started out as.
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#1766 Postby Category5Kaiju » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:26 am

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This is quite telling imho that the warming we are seeing now isn’t some short lived event, it is warming as expected and warming at the right time.
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#1767 Postby Shell Mound » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:29 am

tolakram wrote:
Shell Mound wrote:
AxaltaRacing24 wrote:Freezing out there isn't it?

Personally I think the warming over the past four to five days is temporary. The long-term trend on the charts is negligible. One must look at the moving average for the entire period in question rather than short-term trends. Wait another week and a half and the warming will reverse, that is, revert to the long-term moving average. So far every short-term warming trend has reversed itself after a while. I doubt that this latest trend will be different from the rest, but we shall see. The Canary Current remains cool and all the TC activity in the CPAC is atypical of a -PMM/-ENSO combination.

Can you clarify TC activity in the CPAC?

Kingarabian wrote:Crazy how past 120W is the sweet spot so far. That's literally something you do not see in non +ENSO/+PDO/+PMM years.

Source

 https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1420077643035258883



 https://twitter.com/dmorris9661/status/1420078881697054725



 https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1420080934313938944



 https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1420087940823359488



 https://twitter.com/HurricaneAddict/status/1420094264483139592


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#1768 Postby aspen » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:51 am

Shell Mound wrote:
tolakram wrote:
Shell Mound wrote:Personally I think the warming over the past four to five days is temporary. The long-term trend on the charts is negligible. One must look at the moving average for the entire period in question rather than short-term trends. Wait another week and a half and the warming will reverse, that is, revert to the long-term moving average. So far every short-term warming trend has reversed itself after a while. I doubt that this latest trend will be different from the rest, but we shall see. The Canary Current remains cool and all the TC activity in the CPAC is atypical of a -PMM/-ENSO combination.

Can you clarify TC activity in the CPAC?

Kingarabian wrote:Crazy how past 120W is the sweet spot so far. That's literally something you do not see in non +ENSO/+PDO/+PMM years.

Source

https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1420077643035258883
https://twitter.com/dmorris9661/status/1420078881697054725
https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1420080934313938944
https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1420087940823359488
https://twitter.com/HurricaneAddict/status/1420094264483139592

If the GFS’ hints of a TC attempting to form east of 50W between August 5-10th verify, that TUTT won’t be an issue, assuming it ends up in that position by that time frame.
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#1770 Postby SFLcane » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:57 am



Yes, reduced trades and continued warming of the main development region. Ugly combo with strong VP over Africa.
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#1771 Postby toad strangler » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:14 am

Oh snap, Hazelton mentioned 2013
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#1772 Postby Category5Kaiju » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:19 am

toad strangler wrote:Oh snap, Hazelton mentioned 2013


I mean, who doesn't? :D
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#1773 Postby cheezyWXguy » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:19 am

I seem to remember that the gfs/gefs has a tendency to hold onto the epac cell for too long around this time, and that it did this last year. I’m siding with the eps between the two on this matter based on that bias.
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#1774 Postby SFLcane » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:27 am

toad strangler wrote:Oh snap, Hazelton mentioned 2013


Being sarcastic there. This is def not 2013 my friend
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#1776 Postby aspen » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:31 am

Looks like the CRW SST graphs on cyclonicwx have been corrected. It’s now saying that the MDR is +0.25C warmer than average, which matches up a lot more with the CRW map than the +0.092C estimate from last night. The entire graph seems to have been moved up.
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#1777 Postby AnnularCane » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:39 am

toad strangler wrote:Oh snap, Hazelton mentioned 2013



Season cancel! (j/k) :lol:
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#1778 Postby Stormybajan » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:39 am

cheezyWXguy wrote:I seem to remember that the gfs/gefs has a tendency to hold onto the epac cell for too long around this time, and that it did this last year. I’m siding with the eps between the two on this matter based on that bias.


I'm also with you there, I think the GFS is too slow in its progression of the MJO and rising phase over Africa, I dont think we will have to wait until the end of August for that. August 13th the latest. We're just over 2 weeks away from the Atlantic dashing off..right now its getting the blocks ready before the huge sprint :wink:
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#1779 Postby SFLcane » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:40 am

cycloneye wrote:Mr Andy is very active today.

https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1420391100599214082


With 2-3 weeks to go the Mdr with be fine. Let’s check again August 20-25
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