Low Pressure east of Windward Islands (Is Invest 94L)

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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#121 Postby aspen » Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:39 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:I would focus more on this system. the other two may also develop but this is in a better environemnt.


adding to that...

the trend today and this afternoon have been a rapid organization in the low levels with visible showing a distinct vort max which has now started producing deep convection over it and in some proto bands around it.

HIgher moisture and lower shear than 92L and 93L

This should be 94L very soon.

If soon-to-be-94L develops quicker than anticipated, wouldn’t that mean it gets a little further north? It could miss some of the islands if that happens.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#122 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:47 pm

aspen wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:I would focus more on this system. the other two may also develop but this is in a better environemnt.


adding to that...

the trend today and this afternoon have been a rapid organization in the low levels with visible showing a distinct vort max which has now started producing deep convection over it and in some proto bands around it.

HIgher moisture and lower shear than 92L and 93L

This should be 94L very soon.

If soon-to-be-94L develops quicker than anticipated, wouldn’t that mean it gets a little further north? It could miss some of the islands if that happens.


Looks as though the mid level ridging is a little stronger and farther west. so a stronger system may stay more wnw for longer.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#123 Postby Blown Away » Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:14 pm

I wish they would tag this wave as invest.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#124 Postby ElectricStorm » Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:15 pm

I feel like the development odds should be more than 10%. But we'll see what NHC goes with. This might be able to develop further west.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#125 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:19 pm

8 PM TWO:

A surface trough of low pressure is producing disorganized showers
and thunderstorms over the central tropical Atlantic several
hundred miles east of the Windward Islands. Some gradual
development of this system is possible while it moves
west-northwestward at 10 to 15 mph, reaching portions of the Lesser
Antilles late Monday and then moving across the eastern Caribbean
Sea and Greater Antilles through the middle of next week.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...10 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...20 percent.


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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#126 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:19 pm

Just checked the latest CMC run, and it looks like it wants this system to actually traverse the Northern Caribbean Sea and then become a healthy TC that hits TX or LA. Interesting.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#127 Postby Nimbus » Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:28 pm

Thread hasn't been locked yet so the models don't need to decide where this will go.
Caribbean runner or threat to the islands?
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#128 Postby Nimbus » Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:36 pm

aspen wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:I would focus more on this system. the other two may also develop but this is in a better environemnt.


adding to that...

the trend today and this afternoon have been a rapid organization in the low levels with visible showing a distinct vort max which has now started producing deep convection over it and in some proto bands around it.

HIgher moisture and lower shear than 92L and 93L

This should be 94L very soon.

If soon-to-be-94L develops quicker than anticipated, wouldn’t that mean it gets a little further north? It could miss some of the islands if that happens.


CMC has this near the Yucatan as a weak system in about a week, Aric said the ridging is stronger than modeled but an early spin up and stronger storm will mean a threat to the islands. 94L modeling is probably delayed till we get a better handle on initialization.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#129 Postby AtlanticWind » Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:31 pm

https://cdn.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES16 ... 0x1000.jpg. lower right

Convection increasing.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#130 Postby Blown Away » Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:43 pm

GFS, ICON, and NAVGEM all develop this TW into at least a modest TS to hurricane... 92L & 93L have less model support... Let’s get 94L going NHC!!! 8-)
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#131 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:44 pm

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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#132 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:44 pm

Blown Away wrote:GFS, ICON, and NAVGEM all develop this TW into at least a modest TS to hurricane... 92L & 93L have less model support... Let’s get 94L going NHC!!! 8-)

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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#133 Postby aspen » Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:48 pm


A smaller storm isn’t always a good thing. Like we saw with Elsa, it can very quickly spin up and/or spin down, and with August climatology on 94L’s side, spinning up could make this much more dangerous.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#134 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:52 pm

people need to look at the real world every so often to see if their model hugging is correct or not....

the trends today with this system from very early morning were quite clear.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#135 Postby AtlanticWind » Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:04 pm

https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/s ... &length=24

If you zoom in looks like some evidence of banding on the east side.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#136 Postby SFLcane » Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:05 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:people need to look at the real world every so often to see if their model hugging is correct or not....

the trends today with this system from very early morning were quite clear.


Totally agree with you here.

We’re is 94L???

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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#138 Postby Woofde » Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:12 pm

This wave is moving into an area of lower shear too. We've been bouncing around between the various waves, but this may be the one to watch. Image

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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#139 Postby Stormybajan » Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:14 pm



Very very surprised this isnt 94L at 00z, its looking better concentrated and I am getting more and more interested and so are the models :wink:
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Re: Tropical Wave in West-Central Atlantic

#140 Postby ElectricStorm » Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:16 pm

I'm expecting the odds of development to shoot up pretty soon. Pretty good chance we get a named storm out of this. Whether that's Fred or Grace remains to be seen. I think there's a chance both this one and 93L develop
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