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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1121 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:34 am

StormSkeptic wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:Structurally, the storm is pretty messy (which was surprising). Tail Doppler radar analyses showed the southern half of the circulation was barely closed at a height of 1 km. All the strong winds are on the northern half with very weak winds on the southern half. This will have to change to see RI from this point. I think this is why Air Force fixes show the pressure is steady or even rising slightly. It's strange because the storm looks pretty good on satellite.


Why do you think that is? Doesn't seem to be moving too fast and the storm seems relatively well stacked (although think the elliptical eye usually means there is some misalignment).


Looks like some mid-level dry air entrainment to me.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1122 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:42 am

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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1123 Postby cheezyWXguy » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:45 am

Welp, there’s the eye, technically… It’s really more that the dry air made its way to the center, but those storms moving up the feeder from the south should help mix it out eventually.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1124 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:46 am

cheezyWXguy wrote:Welp, there’s the eye, technically… It’s really more that the dry air made its way to the center, but those storms moving up the feeder from the south should help mix it out eventually.


Dry air patch IMO, evident on the low level WV loop.

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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1125 Postby hipshot » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:48 am

tolakram wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:Welp, there’s the eye, technically… It’s really more that the dry air made its way to the center, but those storms moving up the feeder from the south should help mix it out eventually.


Dry air patch IMO, evident on the low level WV loop.

https://imgur.com/UZQ63Y7

To my untrained eye, it looks as if Grace is pushing that dry air our of the way.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1126 Postby cheezyWXguy » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:48 am

tolakram wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:Welp, there’s the eye, technically… It’s really more that the dry air made its way to the center, but those storms moving up the feeder from the south should help mix it out eventually.


Dry air patch IMO, evident on the low level WV loop.

https://imgur.com/UZQ63Y7

Very much agreed. The first part of my comment was more tongue-in-cheek. I do think that’s the center though
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1127 Postby AtlanticWind » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:50 am

Looking at the latest loops I think Grace will intensify to least 100 mph before landfall.
Looks like an eye feature developing , I think it will be a strengthening Hurricane right
up to landfall.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1128 Postby skyline385 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:52 am

So looks like the pressure dropped by 5mb in 12 hours and it slightly went up again. Yea good for Cancun, this storm isn't going to be much, probably a Cat 1 or weak Cat 2 and they have good infrastructure over there to easily handle it..
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1129 Postby Deshaunrob17 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:59 am

I had a feeling yesterday this would have been more of a steady intensification.. I was watching the lots of dry air behind Grace, but does not seem to be much of a hindrance. I was watching the TUTT too which seems to be more impacting Grace. However, the shear isn't super strong so unlikely to see weakening, just that intensification would be steady
My bet is 85 to 100mph at landfall in Yucatan
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1130 Postby hipshot » Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:06 pm

Deshaunrob17 wrote:I had a feeling yesterday this would have been more of a steady intensification.. I was watching the lots of dry air behind Grace, but does not seem to be much of a hindrance. I was watching the TUTT too which seems to be more impacting Grace. However, the shear isn't super strong so unlikely to see weakening, just that intensification would be steady
My bet is 85 to 100mph at landfall in Yucatan


Anyone have an updated cone?
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1131 Postby captainbarbossa19 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:20 pm

hipshot wrote:
Deshaunrob17 wrote:I had a feeling yesterday this would have been more of a steady intensification.. I was watching the lots of dry air behind Grace, but does not seem to be much of a hindrance. I was watching the TUTT too which seems to be more impacting Grace. However, the shear isn't super strong so unlikely to see weakening, just that intensification would be steady
My bet is 85 to 100mph at landfall in Yucatan


Anyone have an updated cone?


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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1132 Postby hipshot » Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:23 pm

captainbarbossa19 wrote:
hipshot wrote:
Deshaunrob17 wrote:I had a feeling yesterday this would have been more of a steady intensification.. I was watching the lots of dry air behind Grace, but does not seem to be much of a hindrance. I was watching the TUTT too which seems to be more impacting Grace. However, the shear isn't super strong so unlikely to see weakening, just that intensification would be steady
My bet is 85 to 100mph at landfall in Yucatan


Anyone have an updated cone?


https://i.imgur.com/c8S0bOX.png

Thanks, I was wondering if there had been a more northerly component to it since it seemed to be moving more that way.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1133 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:35 pm

18z best track up to 70 knots; Grace is intensifying.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1134 Postby cheezyWXguy » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:38 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:18z best track up to 70 knots; Grace is intensifying.

I wonder how they derived that. Moisture is definitely making its way back into the core, but it’s got a ways to go build back that cdo. If anything I would guess it has dropped down slightly to around 60kt
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1135 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:46 pm

TXNT22 KNES 181804
TCSNTL

A. 07L (GRACE)

B. 18/1730Z

C. 19.5N

D. 83.2W

E. ONE/GOES-E

F. T4.5/4.5

G. IR/EIR/VIS

H. REMARKS...SYSTEM HAS AN OW EYE SURROUNDED BY AND EMBEDDED IN DG
RESULTING IN AN EYE PATTERN DT OF 4.5. ADDITIONALLY, DEEP CONVECTION
IS PERSISTING TO OCCUR AROUND THE EYE IN THE NE QUADRANT, HOWEVER,
CONVECTION IS DISSIPATING IN THE SE QUADRANT INDICATING POSSIBLE DRY
AIR INTRUSION. THE 24 HR TREND IS DEVELOPING. MET AND PT ARE UNDEFINED
DUE TO SYSTEM BEING ON LAND 24 HRS AGO. FT IS BASED ON DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


...PATEL
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1136 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:59 pm

Already chasers are in parts of Yucatán waiting for Grace.

 https://twitter.com/iCyclone/status/1428062265820028929


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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1137 Postby aspen » Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:16 pm

Grace’s intensification has been nowhere near what was feared last night, and it’ll probably stay as a Cat 1 or maybe a 2 at most in the WCar. Good for the Yucatán, but not so much for Veracruz.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1138 Postby AxaltaRacing24 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:32 pm

aspen wrote:Grace’s intensification has been nowhere near what was feared last night, and it’ll probably stay as a Cat 1 or maybe a 2 at most in the WCar. Good for the Yucatán, but not so much for Veracruz.

This leveling off was predicted though. It'll ramp again and make a cat 2 push tonight into tomorrow am. But yeah it is a bit too early in the season for a cat 4-5 here.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1139 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:37 pm

AxaltaRacing24 wrote:
aspen wrote:Grace’s intensification has been nowhere near what was feared last night, and it’ll probably stay as a Cat 1 or maybe a 2 at most in the WCar. Good for the Yucatán, but not so much for Veracruz.

This leveling off was predicted though. It'll ramp again and make a cat 2 push tonight into tomorrow am. But yeah it is a bit too early in the season for a cat 4-5 here.


Unless it goes like Delta did in 2020, have a pinhole eye & compact core . . .
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1140 Postby Homie J » Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:45 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
AxaltaRacing24 wrote:
aspen wrote:Grace’s intensification has been nowhere near what was feared last night, and it’ll probably stay as a Cat 1 or maybe a 2 at most in the WCar. Good for the Yucatán, but not so much for Veracruz.

This leveling off was predicted though. It'll ramp again and make a cat 2 push tonight into tomorrow am. But yeah it is a bit too early in the season for a cat 4-5 here.


Unless it goes like Delta did in 2020, have a pinhole eye & compact core . . .


Totally realistic. /s
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