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Which Invest will be Ida first?

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Which Invest will be Ida?

#1 Postby galaxy401 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:20 am

So a little contest to have, which of the three Atlantic Invests will develop first and be given the dreaded "I" name? Our contenders are:

97L: The northernmost of the three invests. Odds look good on this developing in a couple of days. Some models even show a strong hurricane though it'll likely stay a fish.
98L: The one closest to Cabo Verde. Little model support for this one but with the low latitude, perhaps it can sneak through and develop first?
99L: The one in the Caribbean. Models show a potential Gulf of Mexico hurricane and a threat for Texas and Louisiana. The most threatening of the three but will it get the I name?

Or perhaps all three fail to develop and we'll have to wait a little longer.

Can you get a Poll set up for this please?
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#2 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:11 am

Made the poll that closes for voting on Friday at 3:10 AM.
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#3 Postby kevin » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:07 am

Either 97L or 99L. I'm gonna go with 99L, if only because the i-storm is often associated with a strong and destructive hurricane, which is a description that probably fits future 99L better than future 97L.
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#4 Postby kevin » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:22 am

Also just for reference, here are all the i-storms since 2000. Indeed it seems that the i-storm is often one of the most destructive and deadly storms of the season as it often occurs in September during peak season. Since 2000, 16 out of 20 (80%) i-storms became hurricanes and 9 out of 20 (45%) have been major hurricanes.

Year / Storm name / Category / Minimum pressure (mbar) / Max. wind speed (mph) / Casualties

2000 / Isaac / 4 / 943 / 140 / 1
2001 / Iris / 4 / 948 / 145 / 36
2002 / Isidore / 3 / 934 / 125 / 22
2003 / Isabel / 5 / 915 / 165 / 51
2004 / Ivan / 5 / 910 / 165 / 124
2005 / Irene / 2 / 970 / 105 / 1
2006 / Isaac / 1 / 985 / 85 / 0
2007 / Ingrid / TS / 1002 / 45 / 0
2008 / Ike / 4 / 935 / 145 / 214
2009 / Ida / 2 / 975 / 105 / 4
2010 / Igor / 4 / 924 / 155 / 4
2011 / Irene / 3 / 942 / 120 / 58
2012 / Isaac / 1 / 965 / 80 / 41
2013 / Ingrid / 1 / 983 / 85 / 32
2014 / No i-storm
2015 / Ida / TS / 1001 / 50 / 0
2016 / Ian / TS / 994 / 60 / 0
2017 / Irma / 5 / 914 / 180 / 134
2018 / Isaac / 1 / 995 / 75 / 0
2019 / Imelda / TS / 1003 / 45 / 7
2020 / Isaias / 1 / 986 / 90 / 17
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#5 Postby Category5Kaiju » Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:07 am

I used to think it would be 97L and 99L would be be Julian, but as the idea of pre-naming being inefficient exists and the I curse a thing, I am going to say that 99L will be Ida.
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#6 Postby Category5Kaiju » Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:50 am

kevin wrote:Also just for reference, here are all the i-storms since 2000. Indeed it seems that the i-storm is often one of the most destructive and deadly storms of the season as it often occurs in September during peak season. Since 2000, 16 out of 20 (80%) i-storms became hurricanes and 9 out of 20 (45%) have been major hurricanes.

Year / Storm name / Category / Minimum pressure (mbar) / Max. wind speed (mph) / Casualties

2000 / Isaac / 4 / 943 / 140 / 1
2001 / Iris / 4 / 948 / 145 / 36
2002 / Isidore / 3 / 934 / 125 / 22
2003 / Isabel / 5 / 915 / 165 / 51
2004 / Ivan / 5 / 910 / 165 / 124
2005 / Irene / 2 / 970 / 105 / 1
2006 / Isaac / 1 / 985 / 85 / 0
2007 / Ingrid / TS / 1002 / 45 / 0
2008 / Ike / 4 / 935 / 145 / 214
2009 / Ida / 2 / 975 / 105 / 4
2010 / Igor / 4 / 924 / 155 / 4
2011 / Irene / 3 / 942 / 120 / 58
2012 / Isaac / 1 / 965 / 80 / 41
2013 / Ingrid / 1 / 983 / 85 / 32
2014 / No i-storm
2015 / Ida / TS / 1001 / 50 / 0
2016 / Ian / TS / 994 / 60 / 0
2017 / Irma / 5 / 914 / 180 / 134
2018 / Isaac / 1 / 995 / 75 / 0
2019 / Imelda / TS / 1003 / 45 / 7
2020 / Isaias / 1 / 986 / 90 / 17


2020 / Iota / 4 / 917 / 155 / 125

Seriously, sometimes I wonder if we should just downright ban the use of I names to name TCs and go from H to J names instead, it almost seems like Mother Nature has a built-in mechanism to make I storms the worst of the worst :(
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#7 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:16 am

Category5Kaiju wrote:
kevin wrote:Also just for reference, here are all the i-storms since 2000. Indeed it seems that the i-storm is often one of the most destructive and deadly storms of the season as it often occurs in September during peak season. Since 2000, 16 out of 20 (80%) i-storms became hurricanes and 9 out of 20 (45%) have been major hurricanes.

Year / Storm name / Category / Minimum pressure (mbar) / Max. wind speed (mph) / Casualties

2000 / Isaac / 4 / 943 / 140 / 1
2001 / Iris / 4 / 948 / 145 / 36
2002 / Isidore / 3 / 934 / 125 / 22
2003 / Isabel / 5 / 915 / 165 / 51
2004 / Ivan / 5 / 910 / 165 / 124
2005 / Irene / 2 / 970 / 105 / 1
2006 / Isaac / 1 / 985 / 85 / 0
2007 / Ingrid / TS / 1002 / 45 / 0
2008 / Ike / 4 / 935 / 145 / 214
2009 / Ida / 2 / 975 / 105 / 4
2010 / Igor / 4 / 924 / 155 / 4
2011 / Irene / 3 / 942 / 120 / 58
2012 / Isaac / 1 / 965 / 80 / 41
2013 / Ingrid / 1 / 983 / 85 / 32
2014 / No i-storm
2015 / Ida / TS / 1001 / 50 / 0
2016 / Ian / TS / 994 / 60 / 0
2017 / Irma / 5 / 914 / 180 / 134
2018 / Isaac / 1 / 995 / 75 / 0
2019 / Imelda / TS / 1003 / 45 / 7
2020 / Isaias / 1 / 986 / 90 / 17


2020 / Iota / 4 / 917 / 155 / 125

Seriously, sometimes I wonder if we should just downright ban the use of I names to name TCs and go from H to J names instead, it almost seems like Mother Nature has a built-in mechanism to make I storms the worst of the worst :(


I'm part of the 'I-curse' :eek:
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#8 Postby ElectricStorm » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:18 am

Went with 99. If that is indeed the case, then it might be the last Ida if some of these model runs verify
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#9 Postby Category5Kaiju » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:27 am

Weather Dude wrote:Went with 99. If that is indeed the case, then it might be the last Ida if some of these model runs verify


Alright, time for the replacement name game I suppose, Imogen? Ivy? Ina? :D
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#10 Postby chaser1 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:46 am

I'll be that lone voice voting for the underdog LOL. Seriously though, there is a rationale behind my thinking that 98L will be named first. It's easy to presume that we'll see a TD eventually develop out of the Caribbean eventually and 97L will also spin up quickly due to it's relative small size.... once conditions become favorable to do so. So why 98L? Because it too is a relative small and compact disturbance with some existent mid level rotation. It however appears to be moving toward warmer SST as it approaches 40W. This along with the fact that it is Aug 25; We have seen past seasons where a well organized tropical wave in the deep Eastern MDR suddenly developed in a day out of nowhere during this special period during the last days of August and into early September. Therefore based on my guess which has the greatest potential to spin up first even perhaps as soon as Friday/Saturday, 98L fits that potential (even if model support and NHC suggest overall odds for "eventual" development favor the other two systems over the 7 day range).
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#11 Postby AnnularCane » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:49 am

Category5Kaiju wrote:
kevin wrote:Also just for reference, here are all the i-storms since 2000. Indeed it seems that the i-storm is often one of the most destructive and deadly storms of the season as it often occurs in September during peak season. Since 2000, 16 out of 20 (80%) i-storms became hurricanes and 9 out of 20 (45%) have been major hurricanes.

Year / Storm name / Category / Minimum pressure (mbar) / Max. wind speed (mph) / Casualties

2000 / Isaac / 4 / 943 / 140 / 1
2001 / Iris / 4 / 948 / 145 / 36
2002 / Isidore / 3 / 934 / 125 / 22
2003 / Isabel / 5 / 915 / 165 / 51
2004 / Ivan / 5 / 910 / 165 / 124
2005 / Irene / 2 / 970 / 105 / 1
2006 / Isaac / 1 / 985 / 85 / 0
2007 / Ingrid / TS / 1002 / 45 / 0
2008 / Ike / 4 / 935 / 145 / 214
2009 / Ida / 2 / 975 / 105 / 4
2010 / Igor / 4 / 924 / 155 / 4
2011 / Irene / 3 / 942 / 120 / 58
2012 / Isaac / 1 / 965 / 80 / 41
2013 / Ingrid / 1 / 983 / 85 / 32
2014 / No i-storm
2015 / Ida / TS / 1001 / 50 / 0
2016 / Ian / TS / 994 / 60 / 0
2017 / Irma / 5 / 914 / 180 / 134
2018 / Isaac / 1 / 995 / 75 / 0
2019 / Imelda / TS / 1003 / 45 / 7
2020 / Isaias / 1 / 986 / 90 / 17


2020 / Iota / 4 / 917 / 155 / 125

Seriously, sometimes I wonder if we should just downright ban the use of I names to name TCs and go from H to J names instead, it almost seems like Mother Nature has a built-in mechanism to make I storms the worst of the worst :(


But then it would just transfer over to the J names. 8-)
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#12 Postby Category5Kaiju » Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:11 am

AnnularCane wrote:
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kevin wrote:Also just for reference, here are all the i-storms since 2000. Indeed it seems that the i-storm is often one of the most destructive and deadly storms of the season as it often occurs in September during peak season. Since 2000, 16 out of 20 (80%) i-storms became hurricanes and 9 out of 20 (45%) have been major hurricanes.

Year / Storm name / Category / Minimum pressure (mbar) / Max. wind speed (mph) / Casualties

2000 / Isaac / 4 / 943 / 140 / 1
2001 / Iris / 4 / 948 / 145 / 36
2002 / Isidore / 3 / 934 / 125 / 22
2003 / Isabel / 5 / 915 / 165 / 51
2004 / Ivan / 5 / 910 / 165 / 124
2005 / Irene / 2 / 970 / 105 / 1
2006 / Isaac / 1 / 985 / 85 / 0
2007 / Ingrid / TS / 1002 / 45 / 0
2008 / Ike / 4 / 935 / 145 / 214
2009 / Ida / 2 / 975 / 105 / 4
2010 / Igor / 4 / 924 / 155 / 4
2011 / Irene / 3 / 942 / 120 / 58
2012 / Isaac / 1 / 965 / 80 / 41
2013 / Ingrid / 1 / 983 / 85 / 32
2014 / No i-storm
2015 / Ida / TS / 1001 / 50 / 0
2016 / Ian / TS / 994 / 60 / 0
2017 / Irma / 5 / 914 / 180 / 134
2018 / Isaac / 1 / 995 / 75 / 0
2019 / Imelda / TS / 1003 / 45 / 7
2020 / Isaias / 1 / 986 / 90 / 17


2020 / Iota / 4 / 917 / 155 / 125

Seriously, sometimes I wonder if we should just downright ban the use of I names to name TCs and go from H to J names instead, it almost seems like Mother Nature has a built-in mechanism to make I storms the worst of the worst :(


But then it would just transfer over to the J names. 8-)


Well, yes, the J curse...but at least unlike I names there are a myriad of common and easily recognizable male and female J names; it seems like for the I names we are very much running out of such due to how many we have been retiring and replacing over the years.
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#13 Postby Teban54 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:24 pm

Category5Kaiju wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:Went with 99. If that is indeed the case, then it might be the last Ida if some of these model runs verify


Alright, time for the replacement name game I suppose, Imogen? Ivy? Ina? Ileana? :D


Ileana is currently on the EPAC list.
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#14 Postby aspen » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:36 pm

I was thinking 97L for the last few days, but it seems that 99L is developing a lot faster than expected and 97L might be slower than previously anticipated.
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#15 Postby AxaltaRacing24 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:22 am

Weather Dude wrote:Went with 99. If that is indeed the case, then it might be the last Ida if some of these model runs verify

We are quite likely to never see an "Ida" in this basin ever again.
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#16 Postby Category5Kaiju » Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:59 am

Of all the I names I can think of, my top pick personally should Ida become a retiree would be Imogen, but again, this is just me, although I have seen quite a few individuals on social media wanting to see Imogen on the Atlantic naming list, so perhaps this would be a plausible opportunity?
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#17 Postby Category5Kaiju » Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:06 am

Teban54 wrote:
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Weather Dude wrote:Went with 99. If that is indeed the case, then it might be the last Ida if some of these model runs verify


Alright, time for the replacement name game I suppose, Imogen? Ivy? Ina? Ileana? :D


Ileana is currently on the EPAC list.


Yup, had to correct myself, thanks! It really does look like we are really running out of good I names, and if this I curse were to persist going forward, I would not be surprised if we are forced to begin resorting to using Russian I names (like "Irina") or Indian I names (like "Indira") as such cultures have a lot of I names
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#18 Postby Iceresistance » Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:53 am

99L is now TD 9
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#19 Postby galaxy401 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:52 am

Iceresistance wrote:99L is now TD 9


Indeed though it’s not Ida just yet so this poll is still open even if the voting is very obvious now :sun: .
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Re: Which Invest will be Ida?

#20 Postby AlphaToOmega » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:06 pm

Invest 99L has officially become Tropical Storm Ida.
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