ATL: IDA - Remnants - Discussion

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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2521 Postby grapealcoholic » Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:49 pm

With the inner core now being closed, that secondary band is going to get squeezed for momentum. Might see it slide away
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2522 Postby SohCahToa » Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:51 pm



Just another day down in Red Stick when it comes to traffic
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2523 Postby tailgater » Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:52 pm

panamatropicwatch wrote:Station 42039 (LLNR 115) - PENSACOLA - 115NM SSE of Pensacola, FL and 188 miles north of Ida reporting sustained winds of 31kts gusts to 38.9kts.

That’s scary hopefully just in a small area and not a large area that would pile up the surge. Yeah traffic is always bad during rush hour but that a little worse and it’s Saturday. I really wish people learn to take more of the surface streets. We don’t have a lot of ways out but if know your area you can avoid some of this.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2524 Postby jasons2k » Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:53 pm

I just can't underplay how dangerous this storm is going to be. I have been concerned about the NOLA metro area all along and I'm very concerned about the levees. I haven't changed my thinking since Thursday evening. This slight rightward/poleward-of-forecast path while undergoing deepening and moving across the gulf is what I expected to see.

The storm has spent the day strengthening at a pretty good clip, and now we are about to hit nighttime with a trek across the loop current. I see nothing to keep Ida from undergoing a sustained period of RI right up to landfall. The only inhibiting factors I see are time and the possibility of an ERC. The recon reports during the overnight are going to stun some folks.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion Update= 5 PM =105 mph

#2525 Postby Craters » Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:54 pm

tolakram wrote:Outflow boundary firing in the eye a few minutes ago. These loops from SLIDER, which has been having issues but still the best for some of these loops.

https://i.imgur.com/TpeD5w6.gif

Was Nora supposed to go inland?
https://imgur.com/CLlXZNf

Well, by the looks of that loop, Nora and Ida should end up colliding somewhere near the panhandle of Texas.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2526 Postby Hurrilurker » Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:54 pm

That eye just refuses to clear out.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2527 Postby ElectricStorm » Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:54 pm

jasons2k wrote:I just can't underplay how dangerous this storm is going to be. I have been concerned about the NOLA metro area all along and I'm very concerned about the levees. I haven't changed my thinking since Thursday evening. This slight rightward/poleward-of-forecast path while undergoing deepening and moving across the gulf is what I expected to see.

The storm has spent the day strengthening at a pretty good clip, and now we are about to hit nighttime with a trek across the loop current. I see nothing to keep Ida from undergoing a sustained period of RI right up to landfall. The only inhibiting factors I see are time and the possibility of an ERC. The recon reports during the overnight are going to stun some folks.

Exactly what I'm thinking pretty much word for word
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2528 Postby artist » Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:55 pm

Product: NOAA Vortex Message (URNT12 KWBC)
Transmitted: 28th day of the month at 21:40Z
Agency: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Aircraft: Lockheed WP-3D Orion (Reg. Num. N42RF)
Storm Name: Ida
Storm Number & Year: 09 in 2021 (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 10
Observation Number: 05

A. Time of Center Fix: 28th day of the month at 21:13:29Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 26.13N 87.08W
B. Center Fix Location: 298 statute miles (480 km) to the S (178°) from Pensacola, FL, USA.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 2,867m (9,406ft) at 700mb
D. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 974mb (28.77 inHg)
E. Dropsonde Surface Wind at Center: From 225° at 10kts (From the SW at 12mph)
F. Eye Character: Closed
G. Eye Shape & Diameter: Circular with a diameter of 25 nautical miles (29 statute miles)
H. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Inbound: 79kts (90.9mph)
I. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Inbound: 23 nautical miles (26 statute miles) to the ENE (57°) of center fix at 21:07:15Z
J. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 145° at 91kts (From the SE at 104.7mph)
K. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 26 nautical miles (30 statute miles) to the NE (54°) of center fix at 21:06:07Z
L. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Outbound: 70kts (80.6mph)
M. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Outbound: 19 nautical miles (22 statute miles) to the SW (219°) of center fix at 21:18:16Z
N. Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: From 297° at 63kts (From the WNW at 72.5mph)
O. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: 17 nautical miles (20 statute miles) to the SW (219°) of center fix at 21:17:45Z
P. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 10°C (50°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,053m (10,016ft)
Q. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 15°C (59°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,062m (10,046ft)
R. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 10°C (50°F)
R. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
S. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature
S. Fix Level: 700mb
T. Navigational Fix Accuracy: 0.01 nautical miles
T. Meteorological Accuracy: 1 nautical mile

Remarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded...

Maximum Flight Level Wind: 91kts (~ 104.7mph) which was observed 26 nautical miles (30 statute miles) to the NE (54°) from the flight level center at 21:06:07Z

Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...

SEC MAX FL WIND 75 KT BRNG:042 deg RNG:67 nm
General Note About Vortex Messages:
- SFMR and flight level winds are usually averaged over a 10 second period. (The National Hurricane Center's advisory wind speeds are the highest expected winds averaged over a 1 minute period.)
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2529 Postby PavelGaborik » Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:56 pm

Hurrilurker wrote:That eye just refuses to clear out.


To be fair it's likely just a low end Hurricane based on the recon data, no winds even supporting low end category 2 at the moment.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2530 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:58 pm

CDO cloudtops are definitely starting to cool over the last few frames.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2531 Postby HurryKane » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:00 pm




So, it’s easy to point fingers and get fired up when the NOLA mayor says that the required 72 hours to pull off a mandatory evacuation meant they didn’t have time to do it…

…just note that the first advisory from the NHC on then-TD9 was issued just *55 HOURS* ago at 1100 EDT on Thursday. That’s how short the lifetime of this storm has been for the majority of the public and for what public safety planners can work with in terms of getting the public to take them seriously. 72 hours before the first impacts would have meant issuing a mandatory evacuation for that first NHC advisory…i.e. for a tropical depression.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2532 Postby PavelGaborik » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:01 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:CDO cloudtops are definitely starting to cool over the last few frames.


It's been trying this all day, we'll see if it manages to keep them for an extended period of time now.

It's over very warm waters now, let's see what happens.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2533 Postby GCANE » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:02 pm

That leading edge tower on the SW eyewall looks good, but not really seeing any type of cirrus stacking or gravity waves.
I am seeing 3000 CAPE in the core. Last drop in the eye showed it was highly saturated.
Rain rate was 28 mm/hr in the eyewall.
AMSU thermal profile shows a very long vertical warm core with hardly any cold pool beneath it.
It needs to take advantage of the cooling upper troposphere tonight to create a high lapse rate for any chance of RI to occur.
Maybe 50/50, let's see.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2534 Postby GCANE » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:06 pm

Eye is looking weaker now on WV, warmer though on IR
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2535 Postby PavelGaborik » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:09 pm

Is that a large dry slot to the NW?
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2536 Postby Kohlecane » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:09 pm

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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2537 Postby GCANE » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:09 pm

Still just moderate rain rate. Nothing approaching high end.
It is struggling to warm up the core.


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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2538 Postby grapealcoholic » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:10 pm

PavelGaborik wrote:Is that a large dry slot to the NW?

Yes, moat between banding features
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2539 Postby MGC » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:11 pm

Ida investing its energy in expanding it wind field. Katrina did the same thing before RI. Surge forecast likely to increase. Risk increasing for NOLA to be in eyewall. Another Betsy for SE LA.....MGC
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2540 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:11 pm

If this somehow fails to intensify as much as forecast, I can guarantee you that there will be scientific studies on it. However, it's just over the maximum Loop Current now. The next 12 hours are critical.

Also, if it starts to ramp up, it will probably be rapidly intensifying right up to landfall.
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