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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3901 Postby KBBOCA » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:16 am

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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3902 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:16 am

Radar velocities are peaking above 160mph in the ene eyewall, according to the New Orleans radar. Beam is at about 12,000 feet though, so not indicative of the surface
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3903 Postby Stormgodess » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:16 am

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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3904 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:17 am

AF305 SE Eyewall dropsonde, CAT 5 winds are not far from the surface . . . :eek: (Note that these are instantaneous wind speed measurements)

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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3905 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:17 am

kronotsky wrote:
Hypercane_Kyle wrote:SFMR 148 knots just came in seconds ago, but remember that SFMR does struggle around >130-135 knots. Shallow waters too.

Seems very suspicious -- far out from the eyewall, a bunch of missing readings and one at 168 too.


Yeah, likely garbage.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3906 Postby Kazmit » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:18 am

I'm gonna make a Rita comparison.

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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3907 Postby kronotsky » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:18 am

GCANE wrote:
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GCANE wrote:Eye, 47% RH @ 700mb.
Still dry, could get an EWRC before landfall.

Do you have a reference for relationships between upper layer eye moisture and EWRCs? Not a rhetorical question; I don't know what the mechanism would be and I am curious.


https://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~kossin/artic ... l_2012.pdf


Thank you! 47 still seems a little low judging by fig 2c
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3908 Postby Stormgodess » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:18 am




YEh I'll be honest... been thinking they have been way too conservative with surge numbers
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3909 Postby GCANE » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:19 am

Drop in eyewall
155knt at 900mb
120knt surface
140knt just above
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3910 Postby Clearcloudz » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:20 am



Crazy but Ida looks better in this picture.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3911 Postby Blown Away » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:21 am

Ida maybe a little WNW wobble and starting to feel the land, slight decline in the IR? Hopefully...
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3912 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:22 am

Eyewall degrading somewhat on radar. Wouldn't be surprised if Ida maintained 130 knots all the way until landfall.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3913 Postby tolakram » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:22 am

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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3914 Postby GCANE » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:23 am

The highest rain-rate convection is now onshore
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3915 Postby Shell Mound » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:24 am

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:Eyewall degrading somewhat on radar. Wouldn't be surprised if Ida maintained 130 knots all the way until landfall.

Secondary banding also looks to be becoming more prominent than it was earlier. Now one can maybe speak of a formative outer eyewall.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3916 Postby Hurricaneman » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:24 am

Looks like the beginnings of an ERC
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3917 Postby underthwx » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:25 am

Iceresistance wrote:AF305 SE Eyewall dropsonde, CAT 5 winds are not far from the surface . . . :eek: (Note that these are instantaneous wind speed measurements)

https://s9.gifyu.com/images/recon_AF305-1409A-IDA_dropsonde8_20210829-1225.png


Instantaneous wind speeds?
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3918 Postby Clearcloudz » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:25 am

tolakram wrote:saved loop
https://i.imgur.com/EfN9eX6.gif


Man looking at this if your in New Orleans is scary, I'm seeing some northward movement recently.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3919 Postby dukeblue219 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:26 am

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:Eyewall degrading somewhat on radar. Wouldn't be surprised if Ida maintained 130 knots all the way until landfall.


There's a reason landfalling Cat 5s are so rare. Its really, really hard to keep that machine running perfectly close to land.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3920 Postby drewschmaltz » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:26 am

weathaguyry wrote:Really getting nervous about Western metropolitan areas of New Orleans, some of those high rises could see some very destructive gusts coming through. Recon showing 140kt winds VERY close to the surface.


Giving myself a math exercise here. At 155mph you'd be looking at roughly 61.5 ft/lbs of force.

https://www.britannica.com/ ...
In coastal areas, where cyclonic storms such as hurricanes and typhoons occur, maximum forces are higher, ranging upward from about 250 kilograms per square metre (50 pounds per square foot). Wind forces also increase with building height to a constant or gradient value as the effect of ground friction diminishes. The maximum design wind forces in tall buildings are about 840 kilograms per square metre (170 pounds per square foot) in typhoon areas.
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