ATL: LARRY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#521 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:19 am

Kingarabian wrote:
kevin wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:
* GFS version *
* ATLANTIC 2021 SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST *
* IR SAT DATA AVAILABLE, OHC AVAILABLE *
* LARRY AL122021 09/05/21 06 UTC *

TIME (HR) 0 6 12 18 24 36 48 60 72 84 96 108 120 132 144 156 168
V (KT) NO LAND 105 103 102 100 99 95 95 94 96 99 99 101 95 90 85 72 52
V (KT) LAND 105 103 102 100 99 95 95 94 96 99 99 101 95 90 85 72 52
V (KT) LGEM 105 102 99 97 96 94 95 99 103 105 105 101 94 88 69 53 45
Storm Type TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP EXTP EXTP EXTP

SHEAR (KT) 8 9 9 11 9 6 7 7 9 7 5 12 18 20 34 25 38
SHEAR ADJ (KT) 0 -2 -1 -1 2 3 3 2 -3 0 1 -1 -1 10 10 -1 7
SHEAR DIR 252 252 254 261 277 291 271 283 283 192 137 188 223 223 209 182 202
SST (C) 27.5 27.6 27.8 27.9 27.9 28.0 29.1 29.2 29.5 29.3 29.0 28.2 27.8 25.2 17.5 13.1 11.0


This hasn't peaked at all. More to come. This has all the ingredients to get to Cat.5. Recon should also be in around its peak just incase Dvorak pulls a choke job.


Do you also have the the shear forecast according to the Euro? Since the NHC discussion mentions that GFS and the euro still differ quite a bit in terms of their shear forecast during the next 48 hours (where euro shows more shear).

Very similar shear from what I can see. Could argue the Euro has less shear over the next 48 hours compared to the GFS. The Euro is more bullish on this compared to the GFS.

GFS:
https://i.postimg.cc/vZj8Trk8/image.png

Euro:
https://i.postimg.cc/qvt0PtRP/image.png


Sorta. Notice how on the ECMWF TUTT is stronger, which is likely to induce southwesterly shear and based on the streamlines that surround the storm, the ULAC is likely of similar intensity, maybe the ECMWF has a stronger ULAC. Nevertheless, the storm may be strong enough to fight off the TUTT.
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#522 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:21 am

aspen wrote:It almost seems like another EWRC might be starting, based on that weird gap in the NW quadrant. I don’t know how the eye can get any bigger.


This is the last storm that you will see ERC due to its large eye and CDO dominant core.
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#523 Postby Kazmit » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:37 am

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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#524 Postby TheBigO » Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:08 am

Is Larry now considered annular?
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#525 Postby aspen » Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:22 am

Looking a lot more ragged now. Like, maybe-not-a-major-anymore kind of tagged. I think the NHC said in yesterday’s 5pm advisory that shear was supposed to peak today, so that might be the cause.

The degradation since the best track was updated might mean the NHC will stick with 105 kt and not go with 110 kt/955 mb
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#526 Postby TorSkk » Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:47 am

Hurricane Larry Advisory Number 20
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL122021
1100 AM AST Sun Sep 05 2021

...LARRY EXPECTED TO CAUSE DANGEROUS SURF AND RIP CURRENTS ALONG THE
WESTERN ATLANTIC SHORES LATER THIS WEEK...


SUMMARY OF 1100 AM AST...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...19.5N 49.7W
ABOUT 880 MI...1415 KM E OF THE NORTHERN LEEWARD ISLANDS
ABOUT 1285 MI...2070 KM SE OF BERMUDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...125 MPH...205 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 310 DEGREES AT 13 MPH...20 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...955 MB...28.20 INCHES
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#527 Postby TheDreamTraveler » Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:58 am

kevin wrote:Almost a perfectly circular eye, Dvorak should like this.

https://i.imgur.com/d2fm2tB.jpg


That eye is a monster
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#528 Postby Cyclenall » Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:24 am

supercane4867 wrote:With the ongoing symmetrization, 115-120kt peak by tomorrow seems reasonable

https://i.imgur.com/GkPC3SR.gif

What is going on with Larry's banding on the far left? Its like convection fill-in rather than outflow.
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#529 Postby abajan » Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:48 am

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:https://i.imgur.com/8vav6Zo.jpg

As cheezyWXguy has stated, it does look tilted to the east with height. Hmm
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#530 Postby Stormybajan » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:24 am

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Will Larry become the first Doubled-Eyed Hurricane? :lol: :lol:
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#531 Postby sikkar » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:43 am

Looks like it's trying to form a gigantic eye since the western eyewall is eroding quickly.
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#532 Postby Shell Mound » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:49 am

Stormybajan wrote:https://i.postimg.cc/HnpLg1T8/Hurricane-Larry-Sep521-R.png
Will Larry become the first Doubled-Eyed Hurricane? :lol: :lol:

Wilma (2005) exhibited a similar dry slot while east of the Southeastern CONUS, over the Gulf Stream.
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#533 Postby kevin » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:50 am

Stormybajan wrote:https://i.postimg.cc/HnpLg1T8/Hurricane-Larry-Sep521-R.png
Will Larry become the first Doubled-Eyed Hurricane? :lol: :lol:


It almost looks like it's cloning itself :lol:. Realistically though it might be trying to form an even larger eye.
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#534 Postby aspen » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:55 am

Eye temps are warming, and convection has become very ragged. Larry appears to be weakening for some reason, but without a recent microwave pass, it’s impossible to tell if it’s due to mid-level dry air, shear, or an attempt to make a 100-mile wide eye.
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#535 Postby Sciencerocks » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:59 am

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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#536 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:03 pm

Looks like shear out of the southwest to me. Only the NE tip of the surface eye is visible through the mid level eye. It’s obviously tilted.
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#537 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:18 pm

Larry will probably re-deepen again at Dmax like most hurricanes over marginal waters do.
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#538 Postby aspen » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:41 pm

Six-hour recon fixes will begin on Wednesday as Larry nears Bermuda. Tuesday’s flight will depart at 12z and probably won’t arrive until after the 11AM advisory is issued, but if the upper level environment will be as favorable as the HWRF says, then Larry could be near or at peak intensity then.
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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#539 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:50 pm

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Re: ATL: LARRY - Hurricane - Discussion

#540 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:54 pm


Would there be any subtractions from center not being in the middle of the apparent eye?
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