ATL: NICHOLAS - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#641 Postby xironman » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:25 am

42020 is at 26.968 N 96.693 W with tropical storm force winds out of the NE. It seems impossible that the center could be at 26.4°N 96.8°W

https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page. ... tion=42020
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#642 Postby xironman » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:27 am

tolakram wrote:
capNstorms wrote:the circulation reformation was a tall tale that this was going to ramp up, expect a CAT 1 and hurricane warnings issued, this slow coast mover is going to cause some damage


tell tale? :lol: I think there's too much shear, but it will be a windy rainmaker for sure.


Note that the fact the storm and the upper level winds are going somewhat in the same direction. Lessening relative shear.
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#643 Postby underthwx » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:27 am

LARanger wrote:
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LARanger wrote:I gotta say, as alarming as this potential flood factory is, the radar loop from this morning is utterly hilarious. It's like Nicholas was all "I'm goin' to Brownsville!" but, upon catching sight of the town, yeeted itself right the heck outta there with a right hearty "NOPE".


As I've said a few times, while 30 knots of shear isn't super high, it's apparently enough to push convection off to the east and disrupt Nicholas. This shear has been in the forecast for days too, though in the 40 knot range. Today will be a day for Nicholas to bump or stay sloppy. My bet is on sloppy ATM.


Well, yeah, obviously it's all the result of atmospheric effects, from the various causes of the center reformations (or attempts thereof) to the direct action of the shear at various levels. Just for science, I wouldn't mind if Nicholas puts on a little more of this hide-and-seek dancing show before petering out well before bothering anyone too much.

Literally Nicholas: :double:

(Besides, if storms could decide where they went, anthropomorphically, a la my Brownsville joke, I think we all know there's no way any of them would come anywhere near Louisiana: "Oh sure, I'm a rotating mass of megatons of warm air, lightning, and excess moisture with a funky counter-rotating output chute stacked atop me, basically a monstrous swirling energy vampire drawing lifeforce from the warm water below, but even I'm not insane enough to roll up into that mass of voodoo cray-cray."

Of course, I could have the joke all wrong, and what actually happened is that Brownsville folk have the magic voodoo powers. In such a case, I'd just like to clarify that I wasn't making fun of Brownsville at all (please Brownsville don't hurt me).)


Interesting...
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#644 Postby wxman57 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:28 am

Newly-forming center near 26.8N / 96.6W. Old center is dissipating. This puts it ashore much faster/earlier.
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#645 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:29 am

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GCANE wrote:62 mm/hr rain rate!
Definitely has the potential to go up a notch.

That's about 2.5 inches/hour for those of us on the American System. Not quite so scary.


I've dealt with up to 5 inches per hour on Tropical Thunderstorms in Oklahoma . . .
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#646 Postby tropicwatch » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:30 am



I have been watching that buoy. The wind direction changes indicate that Nicholas might go east of that buoy.
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#647 Postby grapealcoholic » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:30 am

wxman57 wrote:Newly-forming center near 26.8N / 96.6W. Old center is dissipating. This puts it ashore much faster/earlier.

Are you even looking at radar?
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#648 Postby GCANE » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:31 am

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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#649 Postby underthwx » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:38 am

grapealcoholic wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Newly-forming center near 26.8N / 96.6W. Old center is dissipating. This puts it ashore much faster/earlier.

Are you even looking at radar?


That is where the NHC has Nicholas located at 10 am....26.4 N...96.8W.
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#650 Postby tolakram » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:39 am

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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#651 Postby tolakram » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:40 am

grapealcoholic wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Newly-forming center near 26.8N / 96.6W. Old center is dissipating. This puts it ashore much faster/earlier.

Are you even looking at radar?


Are you looking at recon? Radar sees the MLC at this distance.
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#652 Postby Airboy » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:40 am

1004mb (29.65 inHg) Surface (Sea Level) 27.6°C (81.7°F) 24.3°C (76°F) 130° (from the SE) 21 knots (24 mph)
1000mb 35m (115 ft) 27.2°C (81.0°F) 23.8°C (75°F) 130° (from the SE) 20 knots (23 mph)
925mb 721m (2,365 ft) 22.2°C (72.0°F) 19.2°C (67°F) 170° (from the S) 17 knots (20 mph)
850mb 1,456m (4,777 ft) 20.2°C (68.4°F) 16.4°C (62°F) 215° (from the SW) 4 knots (5 mph)

Information About Radiosonde:
- Launch Time: 15:22Z
- About Sonde: A descending radiosonde tracked automatically by satellite navigation with no solar or infrared correction.

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Dropsonde Location: Dropped in center.

Highest altitude where wind was reported:
- Location: 26.68N 96.69W
- Time: 15:22:16Z
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#653 Postby tolakram » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:42 am

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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#654 Postby grapealcoholic » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:43 am

tolakram wrote:
grapealcoholic wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Newly-forming center near 26.8N / 96.6W. Old center is dissipating. This puts it ashore much faster/earlier.

Are you even looking at radar?


Are you looking at recon? Radar sees the MLC at this distance.

It's apparently only 3k feet. I guess we'll see but it sure looks like a developing eyewall
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#655 Postby galvbay » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:43 am

Decent squall going through Smith Point right now. 1.25” rain since midnight. Gust to 37mph. Tides 1 to 1 1/2 ‘
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#656 Postby SoupBone » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:43 am

grapealcoholic wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Newly-forming center near 26.8N / 96.6W. Old center is dissipating. This puts it ashore much faster/earlier.

Are you even looking at radar?


Are you consuming some of that grape alcohol? :lol: That's where the recon is seeing it too.
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#657 Postby underthwx » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:44 am



Almost onshore Tolakram?...
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#658 Postby MississippiWx » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:44 am

The more I look at radar, the more I believe we are seeing two centers dance around one broader center. The one that was originally near Brownsville is shooting northeast and will rotate through the convection again soon. The "new" one to the north is beginning to rotate south and west. The old center is actually gaining some stronger thunderstorms as it rotates into the eastern quadrant where moisture is more abundant. Might see another tug to the north and east with time as this one rotates through and becomes stronger.
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#659 Postby grapealcoholic » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:52 am

Wow, seeing subsidence on radar near that formative eyewall. Big time energy release
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Re: ATL: NICHOLAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#660 Postby kevco » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:53 am

MississippiWx wrote:The more I look at radar, the more I believe we are seeing two centers dance around one broader center. The one that was originally near Brownsville is shooting northeast and will rotate through the convection again soon. The "new" one to the north is beginning to rotate south and west. The old center is actually gaining some stronger thunderstorms as it rotates into the eastern quadrant where moisture is more abundant. Might see another tug to the north and east with time as this one rotates through and becomes stronger.


I noticed the same thing happening, look for more impacts with rain further East of the landfall position.
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