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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4841 Postby SoupBone » Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:11 pm

wxman57 wrote:18Z SFC analysis with freezing line.  Leading edge of front is eroding away.  Reinforcing surge of cold air is on the way.  Freezing line is not pushing southeast very rapidly toward the DFW area, but it will get there this evening, right on schedule. I'm still trying to keep the sub-freezing temps out of SW Houston tomorrow night during the light precip. I have nowhere to go, though. It's 68 right now in SW Houston and I have my desk heater going, trying to keep warm. Glad I'm not up north in D-FW.

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You're such a hard read sometimes. :lol:

So you're thinking not a huge deal for Houston, outside of elevated roadways and bridges maybe?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4842 Postby cheezyWXguy » Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:11 pm

The models still seem too slow with the freezing line, which is currently located where the 18z HRRR has it at 4pm
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4843 Postby Cerlin » Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:14 pm

I can see the band of precipitation headed towards OKC right now. It seems like it’s taking forever to get here. I always have to remember that after looking at high res models, one frame to the next is a whole hour of time, so it’s not going to magically race across the plains.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4844 Postby lrak » Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:18 pm

Saw wxman57 freeze line map and would like to know why the cold air is farther south than other areas? The front is a nice curve and the cold air is squidly line?

thanks.... :D :cold: :cold: :cold:

Is it the terrian?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4845 Postby LearnedHat » Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:28 pm

gboudx wrote:Since winter storm's are named now, it appears this one is named Winter Storm Landon. Got an email from Fedex about it:

Winter Storm Landon
Wednesday, February 2, 2022

The FedEx meteorology and operations teams are closely monitoring Winter Storm Landon as it develops across the Central United States. The storm could create hazardous conditions for our team members and their safety remains our number one priority.


Great. We gotta deal with the storm and then his helicopter soccer parents.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4846 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:40 pm

The snow is coming into the OKC Metro now.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4847 Postby wxman57 » Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:48 pm

SoupBone wrote:
wxman57 wrote:18Z SFC analysis with freezing line.  Leading edge of front is eroding away.  Reinforcing surge of cold air is on the way.  Freezing line is not pushing southeast very rapidly toward the DFW area, but it will get there this evening, right on schedule. I'm still trying to keep the sub-freezing temps out of SW Houston tomorrow night during the light precip. I have nowhere to go, though. It's 68 right now in SW Houston and I have my desk heater going, trying to keep warm. Glad I'm not up north in D-FW.

http://wxman57.com/images/18ZSFC.JPG

http://wxman57.com/images/18ZSFC.JPG



You're such a hard read sometimes. :lol:

So you're thinking not a huge deal for Houston, outside of elevated roadways and bridges maybe?


My only concern for Houston area would be some ice on bridges and overpasses Friday morning. No concerns about losing power.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4848 Postby jaguars_22 » Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:50 pm

Looks like the HRRR is wanting to leave precip falling along the texas coast and cause almost a quarter of an inch of ice… could that cause power issues?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4849 Postby Wntrwthrguy » Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:50 pm

Is there even a sliver of hope that the models are wrong about the warm nose in the Austin area? Would love to not have 1/4” ice.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4850 Postby snowballzzz » Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:51 pm

Is this heavier precip approaching the western side of the metroplex going to start to drop surface temps when it starts falling or will it bring down the warm air and keep things about where they are?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4851 Postby wxman57 » Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:53 pm

lrak wrote:Saw wxman57 freeze line map and would like to know why the cold air is farther south than other areas? The front is a nice curve and the cold air is squidly line?

thanks.... :D :cold: :cold: :cold:

Is it the terrian?


The leading edge of cold air is VERY shallow. As it pushes south across Texas, the cold air is being modified by the airmass it is trying to replace, so the boundary isn't moving much. The cold air along the front up over Missouri and southern Illinois is deeper, preventing it from being modified much, so it's only a short distance to the sub-32F air. Different story over Texas. The leading edge of the front is not much more than a wind shift, as is evident by rising temperatures now in San Antonio. This is not so uncommon during the daytime. Once night falls, the deeper cold air will quickly fill in behind the front.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4852 Postby wxman57 » Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:56 pm

snowballzzz wrote:Is this heavier precip approaching the western side of the metroplex going to start to drop surface temps when it starts falling or will it bring down the warm air and keep things about where they are?


The precip will drop temps a few degrees, but the dewpoint at DFW is still 33 degrees. It will probably be around sunset when temps there fall to 32F. The warm nose aloft may not disappear until closer to sunrise, meaning when it's gone the precip would fall as snow. Could happen any time after midnight.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4853 Postby lrak » Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:01 pm

wxman57 wrote:
lrak wrote:Saw wxman57 freeze line map and would like to know why the cold air is farther south than other areas? The front is a nice curve and the cold air is squidly line?

thanks.... :D :cold: :cold: :cold:

Is it the terrian?


The leading edge of cold air is VERY shallow. As it pushes south across Texas, the cold air is being modified by the airmass it is trying to replace, so the boundary isn't moving much. The cold air along the front up over Missouri and southern Illinois is deeper, preventing it from being modified much, so it's only a short distance to the sub-32F air. Different story over Texas. The leading edge of the front is not much more than a wind shift, as is evident by rising temperatures now in San Antonio. This is not so uncommon during the daytime. Once night falls, the deeper cold air will quickly fill in behind the front.


Thank you!
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4854 Postby Garnetcat5 » Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:04 pm

wxman57 wrote:
SoupBone wrote:
wxman57 wrote:18Z SFC analysis with freezing line.  Leading edge of front is eroding away.  Reinforcing surge of cold air is on the way.  Freezing line is not pushing southeast very rapidly toward the DFW area, but it will get there this evening, right on schedule. I'm still trying to keep the sub-freezing temps out of SW Houston tomorrow night during the light precip. I have nowhere to go, though. It's 68 right now in SW Houston and I have my desk heater going, trying to keep warm. Glad I'm not up north in D-FW.

http://wxman57.com/images/18ZSFC.JPG

http://wxman57.com/images/18ZSFC.JPG



You're such a hard read sometimes. :lol:

So you're thinking not a huge deal for Houston, outside of elevated roadways and bridges maybe?


My only concern for Houston area would be some ice on bridges and overpasses Friday morning. No concerns about losing power.

They just sounded the alarm for us in Houston! I am in a panic as last night and this morning they said it was cold for one night now suddenly all above 59 expect ice. Omg!!! We are all electric and on well water! What a nightmare!!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4855 Postby ColdFusion » Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:08 pm

Garnetcat5 wrote:They just sounded the alarm for us in Houston! I am in a panic as last night and this morning they said it was cold for one night now suddenly all above 59 expect ice. Omg!!! We are all electric and on well water! What a nightmare!!!


I dont see any forecast lows for the Houston area below 30 degrees so far. No need to panic.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4856 Postby rwfromkansas » Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:16 pm

NWS definitely is buying sleet/snow being predominant over DFW. Glad.

"Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Fort Worth TX
126 PM CST Wed Feb 2 2022

...New Short Term, Aviation...

.SHORT TERM... /NEW/
/Today through Thursday afternoon/

Impacts from the highly anticipated winter weather event will
begin this afternoon and become more widespread this evening as
temperatures continue to drop behind the cold front. Winds have
turned out of the north across all of the forecast area as of
noon, with the strong cold push having yet reached the last few
Brazos Valley counties. Meanwhile, the first couple of readings at
or below freezing have shown up across western North Texas. Falling
temperatures will continue into the overnight hours, with sub-freezing
temperatures expanding to the DFW Metroplex between 7 and 9 pm,
Waco by 3 am, and the far southeast counties around daybreak
Thursday.

Rain currently to the west of the forecast area will shift eastward
with the associated lift throughout the afternoon. Simultaneously,
showers are beginning to develop across Central Texas and will
expand in coverage and continue advecting NNE. Intermittent
moderate to heavy rain will be possible at times, with the
potential for a few rumbles of thunder as well.

As temperatures drop and the warm nose erodes, precipitation will
transition from rain to freezing rain, then sleet and finally snow.
After midnight, 850 to 700 mb frontogenesis will dominate as the
primary source of lift and resultantly shift the heaviest
precipitation to the east of the Metroplex. As dry air filters in,
precip chances will end from west to east gradually Thursday,
coming to an end for the entire area by Thursday night. In terms
of accumulations, not much has changed from the overnight forecast
update. Accumulations of sleet/snow will be greatest along the
northwest, where anywhere up to 4 inches is expected through
tomorrow and will mostly fall as snow. A gradient of a mixture of
sleet and snow will set up over the DFW Metro and parts of
Central Texas, while just sleet is expected across southern and
eastern Central Texas.

For ice accumulations, some of the more recent guidance has
pointed to a faster transition to sleet rather than freezing rain,
so ice totals have been adjusted to account for this across the
area. Widespread ice amounts of a tenth of an inch to two tenths
of an inch are expected across most of North and Central Texas
through Thursday evening. The exception to this will be where
localized, heavier bands of freezing rain develop tonight and also
across the northeast where amounts upwards of three tenths of an
inch are expected.

Wind chill values overnight will bottom out near zero in north
and west, and low teens across the south and east, while high
temperatures Thursday will fail to reach above freezing. Overall,
the key takeaways from the short term forecast should be that:

1) Hazardous travel conditions will begin across the northwest
this afternoon and continue to spread southeast throughout the
evening and overnight. AVOID travel if at all possible tonight
and Thursday.

2) MUCH colder temperatures with dangerous wind chill values
arrive today/tonight and will stick around through the end of
the work week. Protect the 4 P`s: People, Pets, Plants, and
Pipes.

3) In addition to roads being impacted, icing to infrastructure such
as utility lines and tree branches will likely create sporadic
power outages across the area. Now is the last chance to ensure
you have emergency supplies prepared before travel becomes
dangerous.

Gordon"
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4857 Postby jasons2k » Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:16 pm

Yeah no need to panic in the immediate Houston area. A light glaze and maybe some sleet on top.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4858 Postby bigddstranny » Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:18 pm

gboudx wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:My district (Keller) has closed for Thursday and Friday. They are extremely conservative, so I bet most Tarrant districts will call it now. FW did earlier.


Rockwall ISD has done the same. News came out at 11am. Both Thursday and Friday.


Our district, Leander, in the Cedar Park area, announced a closure for tomorrow and maybe Friday.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4859 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:18 pm

KS-44 is closed in Southern Kansas because of the Snow
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#4860 Postby Tireman4 » Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:21 pm

jasons2k wrote:Yeah no need to panic in the immediate Houston area. A light glaze and maybe some sleet on top.



Nope, just a walk in the park Kazanzki..LOL ( I kid...)
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