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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6081 Postby wxman57 » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:16 am

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wxman57 wrote:Here's a plot of the 6Z GFS temp/precip for DFW. The 48F at 9am doesn't look too bad. However, the temperature rising to 54 by 3pm looks suspect.

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DFW will be close to 40F @8:53 update. It was 43 in the intermediate mid hour reading.


Yep, 41F at DFW at 9am. GFS stalls the front near Houston tomorrow morning then moves it north as a warm front. HRRR moves the front through this evening and keeps it south of Houston, which is more believable.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6082 Postby orangeblood » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:17 am




And even it’s still 3-4F too warm, massive temp busts all the way around….These offices should probably go way under guidance to catch up, this is a real time/models in the trash type of forecast

Sun may help to slow a little today but this one packs a big punch
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6083 Postby PDinKS » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:21 am

70 degrees yesterday; currently 14. And it's now snowing here in beautiful Chanute, Ks. I wasn't expecting this this morning.....
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6084 Postby wxman57 » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:25 am

PDinKS wrote:70 degrees yesterday; currently 14. And it's now snowing here in beautiful Chanute, Ks. I wasn't expecting this this morning.....


Sounds horrible! Don't worry, the temperature will be in the 80s next month.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6085 Postby PDinKS » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:30 am

wxman57 wrote:
PDinKS wrote:70 degrees yesterday; currently 14. And it's now snowing here in beautiful Chanute, Ks. I wasn't expecting this this morning.....


Sounds horrible! Don't worry, the temperature will be in the 80s next month.


Umm; please be so kind as to keep your heat down there for just a while longer. I appreciate all my seasons, each and every one of them. Also, I don't want to miss the flooding rains we have here every spring. Gotta make that crop insurance pay for itself.....
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6086 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:38 am

It's literally snowing at the School right now! I did not expect that at all! :eek:
Also, the Warm Nose is gone as well
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6087 Postby opticsguy » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:39 am

From Iowa State. Comparison of yesterdays models with observations at KOKC. Cold came 6 hours early and 15 degrees colder.

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6088 Postby jasons2k » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:47 am

Morning update for SE Texas from Jeff Lindner:

Arctic cold front will move across Texas over the next 24-36 hours.

Arctic surface boundary currently extends from near Fort Worth back WSW into WC TX with temperatures of 66 at Fort Worth and 27 at Wichita Falls. Boundary is making good progress to the south well ahead of projected model guidance as is usual in these sort of setups. While the upper level flow is not favorable for a push of cold air to the south, the density of the cold air continues to move it southward against the unfavorable flow aloft. Will follow the fastest and coldest of the short range guidance with this boundary as the global models are too slow and warm.

Arctic front will continue southward today, but ahead of the boundary with breaks in the low level overcast, temperatures will warm into the low to mid 80’s over the region, this will create a large temperature contrast across the state with temperatures in the upper 90’s over deep south Texas and near 0 in the panhandle. Front will slow today and then continue slowly south this evening arriving into SE TX around sunset. Temperatures behind the front will quickly fall into the 40’s with gusty north winds. Front will likely reach the I-10/US 59 corridors by Wednesday morning and then slow again as best forcing and push of the cold air shifts off to the northeast. Main question is where does the front stall, based on current trends, think it will be closer to the coast, but probably not offshore and this will likely yield a strong temperature gradient across the area on Wednesday. For example areas in NW Harris County will likely be in the 40’s while areas near Galveston Bay in the mid to upper 70’s. Cold air mass will be extremely shallow (around 1,000-2,000 ft) deep with temperatures warming to near 60 just above the surface cold dome. Additionally, southerly winds above the surface cold dome will help to lift moisture and result in scattered areas of light rain, drizzle and possibly an isolated thunderstorm. Lots of potential for temperature forecast busts on Wednesday…upwards of 30-35 degrees in some areas depending on frontal location. I am leaning toward the faster and colder solutions which show the front making it south of I-10 and closer to the coast on Wednesday which would bring much of the area into the 40’s and 50’s.

Arctic front may lift back slightly to the north on Wednesday night before getting a secondary push on Thursday which will bring the boundary offshore by afternoon/evening and bring all of SE TX into the cold sector. Highs on Thursday will be cold and mainly in the 40’s although some areas to the north and west may remain in the 30’s. Areas of light rain, drizzle, and fog will continue as the warm upglide over the surface cold dome continues.

Cold air will remain locked in place into the weekend with several upper air disturbances to pass over the region resulting in periods of cloudy, showery, and foggy conditions. Overnight lows on both Friday and Saturday mornings may drop near or below freezing along and north of a line from Columbus to Huntsville and with precipitation possible a mix of rain/freezing rain will be possible in those areas. At this time any ice accumulation is expected to remain mainly to the NW of SE TX, but something to watch in the coming 24-36 hours. Overall temperatures will likely struggle to get much above 50 for highs through the weekend with clouds and lingering light rain/drizzle in place.

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6089 Postby txtwister78 » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:53 am

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And even it’s still 3-4F too warm, massive temp busts all the way around….These offices should probably go way under guidance to catch up, this is a real time/models in the trash type of forecast

Sun may help to slow a little today but this one packs a big punch


Yeah this may end up being real-time catch-up scenario and that could be dicey when frozen precip is ongoing (particularly further south) so I agree with that approach.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6090 Postby Portastorm » Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:01 am

This front is just (no pun intended) blowing away all of the model expectations, including the hi-res ones. I'm a bit in awe with how this thing is performing.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6091 Postby WacoWx » Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:10 am

Any chance the speed of the front passing through reduces the amt of precip/lift available tomorrow? To me, with the front passing through earlier, it just gives the bridges and roads time to cool off that much sooner, and allow the drizzle to be much more of an issue than previously thought, being that yesterday was 85.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6092 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:11 am

HP was infused from the Arctic. Probably why it has such a stubborn nature with the dense air mass. Not entirely of Pacific origin typically with EPO.

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6093 Postby Brent » Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:13 am

We better get moving if we're hitting 37 :spam: the weather station closest to me is at 18 though I've noticed it runs cold
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6094 Postby Haris » Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:17 am

WacoWx wrote:Any chance the speed of the front passing through reduces the amt of precip/lift available tomorrow? To me, with the front passing through earlier, it just gives the bridges and roads time to cool off that much sooner, and allow the drizzle to be much more of an issue than previously thought, being that yesterday was 85.


Probably not given the coldest models are one of the wettest ones surprisingly. Maybe for northern Oklahoma but no big impact
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6095 Postby wxman57 » Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:24 am

12Z GFS now has mid 40s for DFW this afternoon vs. mid 50s from 06Z run. Uh, probably not. 12Z GFS now pushes the front south of Houston by midnight tonight with our highs tomorrow in the 50s vs. upper 70s. No surprise there. Models can't handle very shallow cold air.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6096 Postby Ralph's Weather » Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:30 am

Ntxw wrote:HP was infused from the Arctic. Probably why it has such a stubborn nature with the dense air mass. Not entirely of Pacific origin typically with EPO.

The orientation of this right on lee of Rockies also helps. The further east based highs have much more terrain to interrupt the surface flow. This is why I don't buy that the cold will struggle pushing east as models show. This front will clear the whole state before midnight tonight. I would watch for freezing rain Thursday even along a Huntsville to Marshall line.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6097 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:32 am

It's looking like even the models initiated too warm.

The GFS is saying that OKC is 24°F, it's still at 20°F at OKC.

The GFS is also thinking that Shawnee is at 25°F, it's 21°F there.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6098 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:33 am

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Ntxw wrote:HP was infused from the Arctic. Probably why it has such a stubborn nature with the dense air mass. Not entirely of Pacific origin typically with EPO.

The orientation of this right on lee of Rockies also helps. The further east based highs have much more terrain to interrupt the surface flow. This is why I don't buy that the cold will struggle pushing east as models show. This front will clear the whole state before midnight tonight. I would watch for freezing rain Thursday even along a Huntsville to Marshall line.


Strangely enough the trough vmax being further north is a less amped version vs if it were to dig much further south so the surface cold is able to almost ignore it with less resistance.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6099 Postby cstrunk » Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:33 am

Ralph's Weather wrote:
Ntxw wrote:HP was infused from the Arctic. Probably why it has such a stubborn nature with the dense air mass. Not entirely of Pacific origin typically with EPO.

The orientation of this right on lee of Rockies also helps. The further east based highs have much more terrain to interrupt the surface flow. This is why I don't buy that the cold will struggle pushing east as models show. This front will clear the whole state before midnight tonight. I would watch for freezing rain Thursday even along a Huntsville to Marshall line.


You might be right, but we'll see.

Looks like almost an exact repeat of a couple weeks ago as far as impacts for Longview. The freezing line will struggle to reach Longview early enough to cause any major impacts, but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets through at some point and we see a light glaze on vehicles/elevated surfaces, just like last time.

The Ouachita dam will probably keep us safe again. :roll:
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#6100 Postby Ralph's Weather » Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:43 am

cstrunk wrote:
Ralph's Weather wrote:
Ntxw wrote:HP was infused from the Arctic. Probably why it has such a stubborn nature with the dense air mass. Not entirely of Pacific origin typically with EPO.

The orientation of this right on lee of Rockies also helps. The further east based highs have much more terrain to interrupt the surface flow. This is why I don't buy that the cold will struggle pushing east as models show. This front will clear the whole state before midnight tonight. I would watch for freezing rain Thursday even along a Huntsville to Marshall line.


You might be right, but we'll see.

Looks like almost an exact repeat of a couple weeks ago as far as impacts for Longview. The freezing line will struggle to reach Longview early enough to cause any major impacts, but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets through at some point and we see a light glaze on vehicles/elevated surfaces, just like last time.

The Ouachita dam will probably keep us safe again. :roll:

I just don't see much effect from Ouachita Mountains as the high is to our NW so the cold here is coming from the Plains not the Midwest. There are barely even trees to slow down the cold and it's all downhill.
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