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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#501 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:54 pm

Ntxw wrote:For parts of N TX the morning heavy rain activity will likely help keep the risk down some with an atmosphere worked over (would change if timing was off). Areas to the south and just east would favor peak heating on Monday.

For Oklahoma dew points in the 40s/50s is too cool. South of I-20 and east of I-35 has a good window of 65+ DP in the afternoon.

Tuesday looks like a severe weather day for dixie alley.


Even though I may not get Severe Weather action, I will get a LOT of rainfall from the storm system, which will limit the drought from further expansion for a while.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#502 Postby Bhow » Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:53 pm

18z nam3k definitely shifted west. Puts Austin in the crosshairs
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#503 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:20 pm

Bhow wrote:18z nam3k definitely shifted west. Puts Austin in the crosshairs

Agreed, I don’t think this is all that cut and dry. The NAM shows a slower further south surface low and puts dfw in the mix with central Texas for most favorable conditions on Monday. It also really cuts down on the morning/early afternoon precip. It’s just one model, but I think it’s enough to induce more uncertainty into our expectations.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#504 Postby txtwister78 » Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:52 pm

RAP extended has temps in the mid 80's, cape over 3k and dews in the mid to upper 60's across SA with isolated storms developing near SA with a line of severe storms firing from SA to AUS between 3PM-4PM. Definitely a trend west today by some models and with this occurring during the late afternoon those areas need to monitor trends closely tomorrow to see if this continues.

I think if the 0z models show any indication of this SPC could adjust severe threat further SW than where they have it now.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#505 Postby TheProfessor » Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:42 pm

Current thought by most models and WPC is 1 to 2 inches of rain for most of Kansas. (minus the NAM which is trying to give snow(eww) and keep western Kansas dry). This would be a drought buster for pretty much the western 75% of the state that averages a lot less rainfall than the Southern Plains. It helps that a decent portion of central and west-central Kansas got 0.5-1" of QPF this past Thursday/Friday. 2" here at Wichita would put us about an inch over where we need to be on the year (down 0.75" as of now).
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#506 Postby South Texas Storms » Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:54 pm

0z HRRR looks similar to the Euro in blowing up a line of strong to severe thunderstorms from Austin to SA late Monday afternoon. I would expect a slight expansion west in the severe risk areas from SPC tonight if the other 0z high res guidance is similar.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#507 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:01 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:0z HRRR looks similar to the Euro in blowing up a line of strong to severe thunderstorms from Austin to SA late Monday afternoon. I would expect a slight expansion west in the severe risk areas from SPC tonight if the other 0z high res guidance is similar.


RGV may get some of the action as well.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#508 Postby wxman22 » Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:05 pm

The 0Z HRRR looks rough...

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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#509 Postby TheProfessor » Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:28 pm

Storm mode will be interesting. HRRR is hinting towards semi-discrete storms (aka embedded supercells), storm motion on the HRRR would at least keep the line semi-discrete for a short time. Main issue is the fact that it's the 48 hour HRRR. Anyways, if confidence increases towards at least semi-discrete storms and possibly more instability (with the orientation of the trough, would not surprise me if models are underestimating moisture return some.) I could see a day 1 moderate for portions of Central Texas.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#510 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:37 pm

TheProfessor wrote:Storm mode will be interesting. HRRR is hinting towards semi-discrete storms (aka embedded supercells), storm motion on the HRRR would at least keep the line semi-discrete for a short time. Main issue is the fact that it's the 48 hour HRRR. Anyways, if confidence increases towards at least semi-discrete storms and possibly more instability (with the orientation of the trough, would not surprise me if models are underestimating moisture return some.) I could see a day 1 moderate for portions of Central Texas.

The HRRR also noted some really intense Hail Cores in South-Central Texas, like near San Antonio & Austin, a Moderate risk for that with a Hatched area is also needed if that trends.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#511 Postby captainbarbossa19 » Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:43 pm



Am I seeing this right? Are there dots of white in those supercells?
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#512 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:45 pm

captainbarbossa19 wrote:


Am I seeing this right? Are there dots of white in those supercells?

Yes, these are INTENSE Hail Cores, probably up to Baseball sized. :eek:

If the heavy rainfall these storms produce goes over the drought stricken areas, then the Drought Feedback loop would become temporary weaker.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#513 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:50 pm

0z 3km NAM makes it linear more quickly,, but slower compared to 18z, a slightly stronger cap would defeat that feature, but we need the Cap weaker if we're trying to avoid separate Supercells.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#514 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:16 pm

Iceresistance wrote:0z 3km NAM makes it linear more quickly,, but slower compared to 18z, a slightly stronger cap would defeat that feature, but we need the Cap weaker if we're trying to avoid separate Supercells.

From what I’ve seen, the NAM tends to have a bias towards converging storms into a line, while the HRRR tends to have an overly discrete bias. Ultimately will probably end up somewhere in the middle
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#515 Postby ElectricStorm » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:21 pm

The CAMs aren't really all that reliable at this range, but it'll be important to see how they trend tomorrow. I don't know if there's enough there to see an upgrade to moderate on the initial Day 2 outlook but I wouldn't be surprised either way at this point.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#516 Postby TheProfessor » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:36 pm

Not quite trusting the NAM right now. It did horrible with Thursday's storm here. There were a couple of runs that gave us nothing lol. Seems like it's trying to do that again where it's too far south and east with everything.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#517 Postby captainbarbossa19 » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:47 pm

TheProfessor wrote:Not quite trusting the NAM right now. It did horrible with Thursday's storm here. There were a couple of runs that gave us nothing lol. Seems like it's trying to do that again where it's too far south and east with everything.


Well, the Euro and GFS both show my area in SE Texas getting some very heavy rain Monday night into Tuesday morning. I was thinking it was strange showing the line building down to the coast then suddenly retreating north. I didn't think the run made a lot of sense.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#518 Postby captainbarbossa19 » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:47 pm

captainbarbossa19 wrote:
TheProfessor wrote:Not quite trusting the NAM right now. It did horrible with Thursday's storm here. There were a couple of runs that gave us nothing lol. Seems like it's trying to do that again where it's too far south and east with everything.


Well, the Euro and GFS both show my area in SE Texas getting some very heavy rain Monday night into Tuesday morning. I was thinking it was strange showing the line building down to the coast then suddenly retreating north. I didn't think the run made a lot of sense.


Referring to the NAM run.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#519 Postby South Texas Storms » Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:58 am

Wow. SPC has Houston under a 10% tornado risk. I don't think I've ever been in that high of a tornado risk area before. :eek:
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#520 Postby bubba hotep » Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:05 am

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