NYC SCHOOLS, birth of christ not an historical event?

[rainstorm]

I am wondering if Christians (myself included) are fighting the wrong battles. Isn't it a spiritual battle where we are to win over individuals?

I am aware of the wording of our founding documents, that acknowledged "providence." And that seems to be the basis for the cultural war that we are in. I don't think that the battles are to be won in the political arena. The battles are to be won in the hearts of individuals. The church has failed to lead and inspire individuals.

The "righteousness that exalts a nation" should be from the bottom up. It starts with individuals, living in the spiritual realm. If there was a true revival in this country, a lot of these problems would just fall by the wayside. Doesn't it say somewhere that the battle is in the spirit, not in the flesh?

It's easier to contribute money, wage letter writing campaigns, and make a lot of noise. After you do "your duty" you can go home and watch the latest reality tv shows. It's not so easy to live holy, lead by example, and truly change hearts. I am guilty of this, for sure. I guess that with conviction, comes responsibility.

That's how things will change!

yes, but heres the rub. where do kids spend most of their time? they spend it in govt controlled indoctrination centers. parents have alot to worry about. how can they counteract the indoctrination they get in govt(public) schools?

[Lindaloo]

Not to mention it is being taught to our future business men and women at our ivy league universities.

[Lindaloo]

For starters, our children were able to celebrate the birth of Christ in school Christmas programs, our high school students didn't have to be censored on their graduation speeches, and I remember it wasn't questioned when prayers were offered up before a sports event.

All across America, Christianity is under attack. We have been intimidated, accused of being "intolerant" of the views of others. Americans are very tolerant and respectful of other people's beliefs. By being so considerate, we have been brainwashed into believing a lie.

[coriolis]

True.

Hmmm. This is difficult. My kids are pretty indoctrinated already. Time to stop talking about it......

[rainstorm]

For starters, our children were able to celebrate the birth of Christ in school Christmas programs, our high school students didn't have to be censored on their graduation speeches, and I remember it wasn't questioned when prayers were offered up before a sports event.

All across America, Christianity is under attack. We have been intimidated, accused of being "intolerant" of the views of others. Americans are very tolerant and respectful of other people's beliefs. By being so considerate, we have been brainwashed into believing a lie.

i agree. and didnt it seem eduction and schools were better before religious values were proscribed from govt schools?

[azsnowman]

ACLU = American Civil Liberties Union.

Dennis - I'm surprised at you.

Helen - I really don't think we want to travel that road again...

It's kind of ironic that the ACLU is associated with 'liberals" while the "conservatives" are concerned with people losing their individual liberties.

Every organization, person tends to go to extremes with their beliefs, etc. and needs to be "reined in" after awhile.

Why are you surprized Stephanie, I'm a little confused on this one.....imagine that, ME confused "LOL!"

Dennis

[Stephanie]

ACLU = American Civil Liberties Union.

Dennis - I'm surprised at you.

Helen - I really don't think we want to travel that road again...

It's kind of ironic that the ACLU is associated with 'liberals" while the "conservatives" are concerned with people losing their individual liberties.

Every organization, person tends to go to extremes with their beliefs, etc. and needs to be "reined in" after awhile.

Why are you surprized Stephanie, I'm a little confused on this one.....imagine that, ME confused "LOL!"

Dennis

I probably should've explained myself better, but I thought you were calling them the Anti-Christ. I saw Lindaloo's post afterwards and as she put it they're are "anti - Christ", which I could accept. I think that there are alot of people that work for or represent the ACLU that probably consider themselves good Christians and I don't think it's fair to pin that label on them. HOWEVER, I do agree that lately there is a push to pacify those that are athiest and are "offended" by anything that suggests religion. My question is "what about the majority that isn't offended but want to embrace it?". We have been asking the government to step in a create rules and regulations to protect us from "us" because apparently we don't have a clue as to tell the difference between our responsibilities and someone else's. As many have stated in this post and others we have "Freedom of Religion" not from it and it should include decorating, celebrating and learning about the different religions as a whole. If you don't want to be involved, don't be. However, I think it's important for everyone to learn about different cultures and beliefs so that we could be open-minded and more knowledgable. The ones that are filing the suits just want to keep their heads in the sand.

Sorry Dennis. Again, I should've explained myself more, but the post was a knee-jerk reaction.

[stormchazer]

The ACLU has become more inclined to support Liberal views because their leadership structure is made up of liberal thinkers. My issue with the ACLU is they are totally inconsistent with there views and which battles they will fight. I have not heard them take a stand on this issue?

[JCT777]

didnt it seem eduction and schools were better before religious values were proscribed from govt schools?

Yes, and we should fear for what public education will become as more and more of these values get removed from the schools.

[rainstorm]

didnt it seem eduction and schools were better before religious values were proscribed from govt schools?

Yes, and we should fear for what public education will become as more and more of these values get removed from the schools.

exactly