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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#3361 Postby NotSparta » Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:39 pm

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aspen wrote:So it would seem what happened in late 2021 — the high pressure suddenly becoming too strong and shutting down deep tropic activity — has continued to plague 2022. What even caused that? It just came up out of the blue, right after a >50 ACE Cat 4/5.


Two totally different things going on


From Late September onward along with much of July and August of this year had viable low-level waves being too far south to develop, that ended up in the East Pacific instead--the latest being the GFS phantom storm's incipient disturbance. The high in both instances was certainly stronger and displaced much further south and west, inhibiting these disturbances from making any northward progress.

This same high is very likely why the north Atlantic has warmed so significantly and also contributed to the limited subtropical activity (one storm so far in the central Atlantic, and only one after October last year the entire rest of the season.) Absent any alternate explanation there seems to be little difference.


In 2021 it was the Atlantic Niño, early this year was pretty normal then came the dry air that mostly choked out the waves. The subtropical Atlantic didn't really warm up anomalously in October 2021 because the root cause of the inactivity was a different one, mostly being the upper troughing started off by Sam and the Atlantic Niño keeping the ITCZ equatorward. This year it's dry air and all those cutoffs once you get into the WATL. The subtropical Atlantic actually warmed up unlike last fall as the pattern caused persistent anticyclogenesis this summer. Just a coincidence that both meant quiet. With one being late in one year and the other most of the next one it's led many to come to this dubious conclusion
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#3362 Postby skyline385 » Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:47 pm

Came across this article on WLFA which suggests that the Azores high being displaced far too north has elongated the jet stream causing it to break off at times and enhance wave-breaking. This elongated jet stream also seems to be partially responsible for the dry air being dumped into the tropics. Now my knowledge on AWB is pretty limited so someone more knowledgeable can probably confirm this?

https://www.wfla.com/weather/climate-classroom/the-reason-behind-the-slow-hurricane-season-and-whats-next/
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#3363 Postby Hammy » Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:46 pm

skyline385 wrote:Came across this article on WLFA which suggests that the Azores high being displaced far too north has elongated the jet stream causing it to break off at times and enhance wave-breaking. This elongated jet stream also seems to be partially responsible for the dry air being dumped into the tropics. Now my knowledge on AWB is pretty limited so someone more knowledgeable can probably confirm this?

https://www.wfla.com/weather/climate-classroom/the-reason-behind-the-slow-hurricane-season-and-whats-next/


This sounds like a good explanation for the monsoon trough troubles as well--the southern end seems to be in the same place but the northern end has been consistently 18-22n which is impacting wave quality.
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#3364 Postby Category5Kaiju » Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:26 pm

With how prevalent the I curse has been (yes, this includes you Iota), I sometimes feel that no matter how active this season ultimately gets, Ian is going to be some surprise Category 5 in late September that threatens the CONUS and will make all of us rethink life. :D
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#3365 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:27 pm

Category5Kaiju wrote:With how prevalent the I curse has been (yes, this includes you Iota), I sometimes feel that no matter how active this season ultimately gets, Ian is going to be some surprise Category 5 in late September that threatens the CONUS and will make all of us rethink life. :D


I have survived this curse against all odds! :lol:
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#3366 Postby Category5Kaiju » Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:31 pm

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Category5Kaiju wrote:With how prevalent the I curse has been (yes, this includes you Iota), I sometimes feel that no matter how active this season ultimately gets, Ian is going to be some surprise Category 5 in late September that threatens the CONUS and will make all of us rethink life. :D


I have survived this curse against all odds! :lol:


Isaac, eh? Well I can assure you that your time is coming, whether it is 2024, or 2030, or 2036 :lol:

Anyways, yeah, despite the doubts about this season's activity, that still has not stopped me from imagining what kind of storm Ian will be. :lol:
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#3367 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:37 pm

Category5Kaiju wrote:
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Category5Kaiju wrote:With how prevalent the I curse has been (yes, this includes you Iota), I sometimes feel that no matter how active this season ultimately gets, Ian is going to be some surprise Category 5 in late September that threatens the CONUS and will make all of us rethink life. :D


I have survived this curse against all odds! :lol:


Isaac, eh? Well I can assure you that your time is coming, whether it is 2024, or 2030, or 2036 :lol:

Anyways, yeah, despite the doubts about this season's activity, that still has not stopped me from imagining what kind of storm Ian will be. :lol:


Yeah, I'm always afraid that my name retirement is inevitable every time I'm used. :lol:
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#3368 Postby Teban54 » Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:41 pm

Category5Kaiju wrote:With how prevalent the I curse has been (yes, this includes you Iota), I sometimes feel that no matter how active this season ultimately gets, Ian is going to be some surprise Category 5 in late September that threatens the CONUS and will make all of us rethink life. :D

Imagine Ian being this year's equivalent of Matthew 2016 after a similarly underwhelming early season.
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#3369 Postby galaxy401 » Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:20 pm

Well two days into September and we have two storms that formed so far. Atlantic is trying to salvage an active season.
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#3370 Postby skyline385 » Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:29 pm

galaxy401 wrote:Well two days into September and we have two storms that formed so far. Atlantic is trying to salvage an active season.


One is a mid-latitude storm and the other is a barely TS storm forming after a week of struggle in the MDR :D
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#3372 Postby FireRat » Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:09 am

Category5Kaiju wrote:With how prevalent the I curse has been (yes, this includes you Iota), I sometimes feel that no matter how active this season ultimately gets, Ian is going to be some surprise Category 5 in late September that threatens the CONUS and will make all of us rethink life. :D


Hahaha who knows! Ian might be like 1998 Georges for all we know, and then October gives us Martin as "Mitch", the M curse is there too.
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#3373 Postby aspen » Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:10 am

Good news, we won’t be dealing with 2013 comparisons anymore after this season. Bad news is that 2022 is gonna be the next 2013 in every single pre-season discussion phase until the next bust year.
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#3374 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:35 am

aspen wrote:Good news, we won’t be dealing with 2013 comparisons anymore after this season. Bad news is that 2022 is gonna be the next 2013 in every single pre-season discussion phase until the next bust year.


I seriously cannot wait until I am tracking the 2023 Atlantic hurricane season. *If* this season ends up really busting, then I cannot wait to see what kinds of comments we are going to be seeing during the July/early August dusty air lull. :lol:
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#3375 Postby skyline385 » Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:51 am

Category5Kaiju wrote:
aspen wrote:Good news, we won’t be dealing with 2013 comparisons anymore after this season. Bad news is that 2022 is gonna be the next 2013 in every single pre-season discussion phase until the next bust year.


I seriously cannot wait until I am tracking the 2023 Atlantic hurricane season. *If* this season ends up really busting, then I cannot wait to see what kinds of comments we are going to be seeing during the July/early August dusty air lull. :lol:


The predictions for this season (even if unreasonable) were that of a hyperactive one. Anything less than that is a bust though, not everyone here expects a 2013 level of bust every year.
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#3376 Postby NotSparta » Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:08 am

skyline385 wrote:
Category5Kaiju wrote:
aspen wrote:Good news, we won’t be dealing with 2013 comparisons anymore after this season. Bad news is that 2022 is gonna be the next 2013 in every single pre-season discussion phase until the next bust year.


I seriously cannot wait until I am tracking the 2023 Atlantic hurricane season. *If* this season ends up really busting, then I cannot wait to see what kinds of comments we are going to be seeing during the July/early August dusty air lull. :lol:


The predictions for this season (even if unreasonable) were that of a hyperactive one. Anything less than that is a bust though, not everyone here expects a 2013 level of bust every year.


lol you'd be surprised. There's almost always a little bit of 2013 talk no matter the season as long as it's not something like 2020
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#3377 Postby skyline385 » Sat Sep 03, 2022 11:53 am

Another good thread

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#3378 Postby Hammy » Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:41 pm

aspen wrote:Good news, we won’t be dealing with 2013 comparisons anymore after this season. Bad news is that 2022 is gonna be the next 2013 in every single pre-season discussion phase until the next bust year.


I'd hold this thought until the end of season--people said the same in 2016 all the way up until Matthew formed.
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#3379 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:10 pm

Hammy wrote:
aspen wrote:Good news, we won’t be dealing with 2013 comparisons anymore after this season. Bad news is that 2022 is gonna be the next 2013 in every single pre-season discussion phase until the next bust year.


I'd hold this thought until the end of season--people said the same in 2016 all the way up until Matthew formed.


That year, much like this year, had dry air issues throughout the season (for different reasons though, as 2016 came off of a super strong El Nino so it was bound to be not completely favorable) and had a similarly warm sst anomaly profile. In fact, I think 2016 was pretty impressive considering three of its MHs happened after September 25, and produced one roughly 50 ACE hurricane. It was a pretty backloaded year, kind of like a very light version of 2020
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#3380 Postby skyline385 » Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:38 pm

Category5Kaiju wrote:
Hammy wrote:
aspen wrote:Good news, we won’t be dealing with 2013 comparisons anymore after this season. Bad news is that 2022 is gonna be the next 2013 in every single pre-season discussion phase until the next bust year.


I'd hold this thought until the end of season--people said the same in 2016 all the way up until Matthew formed.


That year, much like this year, had dry air issues throughout the season (for different reasons though, as 2016 came off of a super strong El Nino so it was bound to be not completely favorable) and had a similarly warm sst anomaly profile. In fact, I think 2016 was pretty impressive considering three of its MHs happened after September 25, and produced one roughly 50 ACE hurricane. It was a pretty backloaded year, kind of like a very light version of 2020

2016 had an active August though


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