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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#781 Postby SootyTern » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:45 pm

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Michele B wrote:

Our Wal-Mart is already out of gas AND water!

Gonna be a crazy week-end! Glad I'm not going anywhere....


I went to Publix in palm city an hour ago. I got the last 6 jugs of water, everything else was gone. But water has been in limited supply here for a while for some reason.


I went to the Publix in North Port and also got one of the last cases of the bottled water. They really only had the over priced "fu fu" water still left. Employee said that she didn't know when or if they would be getting more. I think because of the slow season, stores weren't expecting this and didn't increase their stock levels or sold through their early season supplies. I have to believe they are diverting stock to likely affected areas but with the forecast track so wide, I doubt much will make it to any individual store which is going to leave some people high and dry. A couple people I talked to didn't even realize there was a storm in the Caribbean much less one that was targeting FL. I do have one neighbor that started putting up his shutters but I would not be surprised if we see the news full of people who can't find bottled water.


One thing I have never understood is why more people don't get multiple 5 or 7 gallon water containers during the off season like you would use for camping and then fill them up at your leisure when a storm is coming. I see this scramble for bottled water that runs out or the store limits you to 48 tiny bottles when you are trying to provide for a family, plus the plastic waste
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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion update= 00z Best Track has TS Ian

#782 Postby TallyTracker » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:50 pm

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skyline385 wrote:
NorthPalm-Rainman wrote: Costco in West Palm has tons of cases of water. I stocked up yesterday and there was not much interest in water there. They had more than usual so maybe they are more prepared than other places?


heh Costco in West Palm is where I found water during Dorian as well after the shelves were emptied everywhere else :D


A good time to remind everyone that there's a great alternative in the event that stores run out of water: your sink. Prior to the storm fill up any and every jug in your house with the free stuff


You can also use the jug refills like Glacier and Primo at many Publix’s and Walmarts. I just bought a battery-powered dispenser that pumps straight from the 5-gal tank. Gonna test it out this weekend!
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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#783 Postby Poonwalker » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:54 pm

SootyTern wrote:
NAVAIDNICK wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:
I went to Publix in palm city an hour ago. I got the last 6 jugs of water, everything else was gone. But water has been in limited supply here for a while for some reason.


I went to the Publix in North Port and also got one of the last cases of the bottled water. They really only had the over priced "fu fu" water still left. Employee said that she didn't know when or if they would be getting more. I think because of the slow season, stores weren't expecting this and didn't increase their stock levels or sold through their early season supplies. I have to believe they are diverting stock to likely affected areas but with the forecast track so wide, I doubt much will make it to any individual store which is going to leave some people high and dry. A couple people I talked to didn't even realize there was a storm in the Caribbean much less one that was targeting FL. I do have one neighbor that started putting up his shutters but I would not be surprised if we see the news full of people who can't find bottled water.


One thing I have never understood is why more people don't get multiple 5 or 7 gallon water containers during the off season like you would use for camping and then fill them up at your leisure when a storm is coming. I see this scramble for bottled water that runs out or the store limits you to 48 tiny bottles when you are trying to provide for a family, plus the plastic waste

It’s the age we live in now. A lot of people don’t realize you can drink tap water. Some younger ones could even dehydrate themselves for days standing next to a faucet.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#784 Postby Sciencerocks » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:06 pm

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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#785 Postby NAVAIDNICK » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:08 pm

Poonwalker wrote:
SootyTern wrote:
NAVAIDNICK wrote:
I went to the Publix in North Port and also got one of the last cases of the bottled water. They really only had the over priced "fu fu" water still left. Employee said that she didn't know when or if they would be getting more. I think because of the slow season, stores weren't expecting this and didn't increase their stock levels or sold through their early season supplies. I have to believe they are diverting stock to likely affected areas but with the forecast track so wide, I doubt much will make it to any individual store which is going to leave some people high and dry. A couple people I talked to didn't even realize there was a storm in the Caribbean much less one that was targeting FL. I do have one neighbor that started putting up his shutters but I would not be surprised if we see the news full of people who can't find bottled water.


One thing I have never understood is why more people don't get multiple 5 or 7 gallon water containers during the off season like you would use for camping and then fill them up at your leisure when a storm is coming. I see this scramble for bottled water that runs out or the store limits you to 48 tiny bottles when you are trying to provide for a family, plus the plastic waste

It’s the age we live in now. A lot of people don’t realize you can drink tap water. Some younger ones could even dehydrate themselves for days standing next to a faucet.


In North Port, a lot of the houses like mine are on well water and while it's drinkable, it tastes foul. We filled up some jugs with the tap water that we're freezing for ice blocks and when thawed can be used in a pinch, but we mostly just use the big 5 gallon jugs. We grabbed a few of the smaller bottles that we'll freeze as well.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#786 Postby cheezyWXguy » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:23 pm

That is a very round convective burst out ahead of the current circulation center, which means it’s in an area of reduced shear. I can’t make out low level cloud movements very well on shortwave ir, but if that maintains I could see see that being the start of the “competing vorticies” scenario depicted by the gfs and hwrf
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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#787 Postby eastcoastFL » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:26 pm

Got our first bit of pink cloud tops here. Wonder how this lines up with the HWRF IR forecasts.

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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#788 Postby eastcoastFL » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:29 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:That is a very round convective burst out ahead of the current circulation center, which means it’s in an area of reduced shear. I can’t make out low level cloud movements very well on shortwave ir, but if that maintains I could see see that being the start of the “competing vorticies” scenario depicted by the gfs and hwrf


I was wondering if that’s convection moving further to the west of where it was earlier or if the storms are now building to the east of the system since it has moved west of the heavy shear. Without visible it’s hard to tell and I’m not smart enough to tell the difference looking at IR.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#790 Postby Stormi » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:38 pm

SootyTern wrote:
NAVAIDNICK wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:
I went to Publix in palm city an hour ago. I got the last 6 jugs of water, everything else was gone. But water has been in limited supply here for a while for some reason.


I went to the Publix in North Port and also got one of the last cases of the bottled water. They really only had the over priced "fu fu" water still left. Employee said that she didn't know when or if they would be getting more. I think because of the slow season, stores weren't expecting this and didn't increase their stock levels or sold through their early season supplies. I have to believe they are diverting stock to likely affected areas but with the forecast track so wide, I doubt much will make it to any individual store which is going to leave some people high and dry. A couple people I talked to didn't even realize there was a storm in the Caribbean much less one that was targeting FL. I do have one neighbor that started putting up his shutters but I would not be surprised if we see the news full of people who can't find bottled water.


One thing I have never understood is why more people don't get multiple 5 or 7 gallon water containers during the off season like you would use for camping and then fill them up at your leisure when a storm is coming. I see this scramble for bottled water that runs out or the store limits you to 48 tiny bottles when you are trying to provide for a family, plus the plastic waste


Exactly this! For some however, take my residence for example, the water quality is not quite up to quality, safe drinking standards. For anyone with quality tap water - this is very valuable advice!
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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#791 Postby gatorcane » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:38 pm

Look at the wind shear tendency ahead for 9 :eek:

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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#792 Postby skyline385 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:46 pm

...TROPICAL STORM IAN FORMS OVER THE CENTRAL CARIBBEAN SEA... ...HURRICANE CONDITIONS POSSIBLE IN THE CAYMAN ISLANDS EARLY MONDAY...

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WTNT44 KNHC 240245
TCDAT4

Tropical Storm Ian Discussion Number 4
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092022
1100 PM EDT Fri Sep 23 2022

The system remains sheared from the northeast, with the low-level
circulation evident a bit to the east of the deep convection.
Unfortunately, we didn't have the benefit of a reconnaissance
aircraft this evening to sample the winds, but satellite estimates
did increase a bit. TAFB and SAB provided Dvorak classifications
of T2.0/30 kt and T3.0/45 kt, respectively, while the objective
UW-CIMSS ADT and SATCON estimates are at tropical storm intensity.
Based on a blend of these data, the depression is upgraded to
Tropical Storm Ian with 35-kt winds.

Ian's center appears to have been moving more slowly this evening,
and the initial motion estimate is west-northwestward, or 285/10
kt. The track guidance is in good agreement that Ian should turn
westward during the next 12-24 hours while located to the south of
a small mid-level anticyclone centered just north of Hispaniola.
After 24 hours, Ian is expected to begin recurving around the
western side of this high, turning northwestward over the
northwestern Caribbean Sea, and then northward while crossing Cuba
into the Gulf of Mexico and toward Florida. The track models
agree on this general scenario, and the guidance envelope is
flanked by the major global models, with the ECMWF taking a route
over South Florida and the GFS farther west, remaining over the
eastern Gulf of Mexico by day 5. The new NHC forecast lies between
these two scenarios and is not much different from the previous
forecast. The GFS and ECMWF ensembles both show a similar amount
of spread as the deterministic guidance, but both ensemble means
are close to the multi-model consensus aids, which helps to give
more credence to the position of the official forecast.

The moderate deep-layer shear affecting Ian is forecast to decrease
during the next 6 to 12 hours, and the cyclone will be moving over
the very warm waters of the central and northwestern Caribbean Sea,
where sea surface temperatures are between 29 and 31 degrees
Celsius. Intensification is expected to be gradual during the next
36 hours while Ian gets better organized in a lower-shear
environment, but after that time, conditions will be conducive for
faster strengthening. In fact, the NHC intensity forecast
explicitly calls for rapid intensification (RI) between days 2 and
3 while Ian is moving over the northwestern Caribbean Sea toward
western Cuba. It's worth nothing too that the RI indices from
SHIPS are showing a 2-in-3 chance of a 65-kt increase in winds
during the next 3 days, and if that transpires, Ian could be
stronger than what's shown in the official forecast. The storm is
not expected to be over Cuba long enough to cause much weakening,
and the forecast still shows Ian as a major hurricane over the
eastern Gulf of Mexico while approaching the west coast of Florida.


Key Messages:

1. Ian is expected to produce heavy rainfall and instances of
flash flooding and possible mudslides in areas of higher terrain,
particularly over Jamaica and Cuba.

2. Hurricane conditions are possible in the Cayman Islands by
early Monday, with tropical storm conditions possible by late
Sunday. Tropical storm conditions are possible in Jamaica on
Sunday.

3. Early next week, Ian is forecast to move near or over western
Cuba as a strengthening hurricane and then approach the Florida
peninsula at or near major hurricane strength, with the potential
for significant impacts from storm surge, hurricane-force winds,
and heavy rainfall. While it is too soon to determine the
exact magnitude and location of these impacts, residents in Cuba,
the Florida Keys, and the Florida peninsula should ensure they have
their hurricane plan in place and closely monitor forecast updates
through the weekend.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 24/0300Z 14.8N 72.0W 35 KT 40 MPH
12H 24/1200Z 14.7N 73.9W 40 KT 45 MPH
24H 25/0000Z 15.1N 76.3W 45 KT 50 MPH
36H 25/1200Z 16.1N 78.4W 50 KT 60 MPH
48H 26/0000Z 17.6N 80.1W 60 KT 70 MPH
60H 26/1200Z 19.3N 81.5W 75 KT 85 MPH...NEAR GRAND CAYMAN
72H 27/0000Z 21.2N 82.4W 90 KT 105 MPH
96H 28/0000Z 24.9N 83.0W 100 KT 115 MPH
120H 29/0000Z 28.0N 82.0W 95 KT 110 MPH...OVER FLORIDA

$$
Forecaster Berg
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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#793 Postby StormTracker » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:47 pm

gatorcane wrote:Look at the wind shear tendency ahead for 9 :eek:

https://i.postimg.cc/cCWrm6ZK/wg8sht.gif

Yeah Gatorcane, looks like anything could happen at this point, but the NHC knows best!
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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#794 Postby hipshot » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:47 pm

gatorcane wrote:Look at the wind shear tendency ahead for 9 :eek:

https://i.postimg.cc/cCWrm6ZK/wg8sht.gif


Doesn't look like much shear in that plot to be a problem....if I'm reading it correctly.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#795 Postby Teban54 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:49 pm

Looks like recon didn't make it tonight, after all:
The system remains sheared from the northeast, with the low-level
circulation evident a bit to the east of the deep convection.
Unfortunately, we didn't have the benefit of a reconnaissance
aircraft this evening to sample the winds, but satellite estimates
did increase a bit. TAFB and SAB provided Dvorak classifications
of T2.0/30 kt and T3.0/45 kt, respectively, while the objective
UW-CIMSS ADT and SATCON estimates are at tropical storm intensity.
Based on a blend of these data, the depression is upgraded to
Tropical Storm Ian with 35-kt winds.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#796 Postby gatorcane » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:49 pm

NHC latest disco snippet: :eek:

It's worth nothing too that the RI indices from
SHIPS are showing a 2-in-3 chance of a 65-kt increase in winds
during the next 3 days, and if that transpires, Ian could be
stronger than what's shown in the official forecast. The storm is
not expected to be over Cuba long enough to cause much weakening,
and the forecast still shows Ian as a major hurricane over the
eastern Gulf of Mexico while approaching the west coast of Florida
.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#797 Postby Coolcruiseman » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:52 pm

It's worth nothing too that the RI indices from
SHIPS are showing a 2-in-3 chance of a 65-kt increase in winds
during the next 3 days, and if that transpires, Ian could be
stronger than what's shown in the official forecast.


65 kt increase potential :eek:

That would put it high-end 3 prior to Cuba?
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#798 Postby Abdullah » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:05 pm

Chance of Tropical Storm Force winds sometime over the next five days went up over the last six hours:

35% to 46% - West Palm Beach
37% to 46% - Fort Lauderdale
29% to 39% - Miami
30% to 39% - Homestead
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Re: ATL: NINE - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#799 Postby eastcoastFL » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:05 pm

gatorcane wrote:Look at the wind shear tendency ahead for 9 :eek:

https://i.postimg.cc/cCWrm6ZK/wg8sht.gif


Yikes. Let’s hope the always unpredictable shear forecast changes. That’s scary.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#800 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:05 pm

I can see two inflow streamers at the probably 850 mb level flowing into the new convection from the South on proxyvis. at the same time you can clearly see the original LLC becoming elongated.

I dont think the meso vort has fully worked to the surface but it appears something is occurring along the lines of a reformation. will it succeed is the question..

https://rammb-slider.cira.colostate.edu ... aw_width=6
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