Death Penalty

#21 Postby **Stephanie** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:36 pm

mf_dolphin wrote:What ever happened to the concept of "Hard Labor"? If we put Ross Peroit in charge of our prison system we would be making a profit instead of spending our tax dollars keeping habitual offenders in food and clothes. Not to mention VCRs, color TV's, weight room etc...

Good question!

Lindaloo · #22 Postby **Lindaloo** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:51 pm

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

We should bring back hangings, that would curb crime. No appeals, no waiting 25 to 30 years either. I say death on the day they are convicted.

j · #23 Postby j » Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:53 pm

Lindaloo wrote:An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

We should bring back hangings, that would curb crime. No appeals, no waiting 25 to 30 years either. I say death on the day they are convicted.

...boy...here I was giving the scum buckets a whole year!

Lindaloo · #24 Postby **Lindaloo** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:57 pm

LOL j!

j · #25 Postby j » Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:59 pm

hey Lin..the only reason I want to give them a year is so people like you don't lose your job with all the appeals and all out the window. I was only thinking of my friend..but if your ok with it...Hang 'em!

Lindaloo · #26 Postby **Lindaloo** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:04 pm

j wrote:hey Lin..the only reason I want to give them a year is so people like you don't lose your job with all the appeals and all out the window. I was only thinking of my friend..but if your ok with it...Hang 'em!

Oh nice saving of the neck j!! AS IF!! hehe.

JCT777 · #27 Postby **JCT777** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:29 pm

mf_dolphin wrote:What ever happened to the concept of "Hard Labor"? If we put Ross Peroit in charge of our prison system we would be making a profit instead of spending our tax dollars keeping habitual offenders in food and clothes. Not to mention VCRs, color TV's, weight room etc...

I agree that hard labor would be an excellent punishment for anybody in jail. They should work at least 12 hours a day to earn their keep.

Another comment on why I think capital punishment is wrong - as a Christian who has started reading the bible more and going to church regularly, it is impossible for me to hear the message of the New Testament and think that killing someone is OK (with the exception of self-defense or the defense of loved ones). I just imagine if I were facing God and he quizzed me on whether it was right or wrong to execute a mass murderer. And then saying "Sure, he deserved it" only to be told "Wrong Answer!!".

OtherHD · #28 Postby **OtherHD** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:21 pm

stormchazer wrote:Hard to say I am pro-death penalty but anti-abortion. I have to look at it case by case.

Jara brings up a good point. Is it hypocritical to be pro-death penalty and pro-life?

stormraiser · #29 Postby **stormraiser** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:23 pm

Read Genesis 9:3-9. This is not a revenge thing. It was instituted by God for governments to carry out.

JCT777 wrote:
blizzard wrote:I was just wondering if you feel that the New Testament makes the Old Testament obsolete?

And it is not a "revenge" thing. IMO

IMO, killing someone because they have killed could be construed as revenge. And it certainly is revenge if you deem the act as "an eye for an eye".

I believe that certain laws and teachings in the Old Testament were replaced by the New Covanent. Jesus was more of a "turn the other cheek" man than an "eye for an eye" man. Not that I am saying we should let murderers continue to murder. But we have the option of letting them spend their lives in jail. Let God pass the final judgement.

stormraiser · #30 Postby **stormraiser** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:24 pm

No more hypocritical than it is to be anti-death penalty and pro- abortion, is it?

OtherHD wrote:
stormchazer wrote:Hard to say I am pro-death penalty but anti-abortion. I have to look at it case by case.

Jara brings up a good point. Is it hypocritical to be pro-death penalty and pro-life?

Lindaloo · #31 Postby **Lindaloo** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:29 pm

LOL stormraiser. Get him. hehe.

OtherHD · #32 Postby **OtherHD** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:33 pm

stormraiser wrote:No more hypocritical than it is to be anti-death penalty and pro- abortion, is it?

Nope! If one is hypocritical, then so is the other. That's what I'd like to know. Is it hypocritical in your opinion?

stormraiser · #33 Postby **stormraiser** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:37 pm

I don't believe it is hypocritical to be pro-capital punishment and anti-abortion, no. And for the sake of peace, I think I should gracefully bow out of this conversation. I respect your right to your beliefs, but I don't necessarily think they are right.

OtherHD wrote:
stormraiser wrote:No more hypocritical than it is to be anti-death penalty and pro- abortion, is it?

Nope! If one is hypocritical, then so is the other. That's what I'd like to know. Is it hypocritical in your opinion?

OtherHD · #34 Postby **OtherHD** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:43 pm

stormraiser wrote:I don't believe it is hypocritical to be pro-capital punishment and anti-abortion, no. And for the sake of peace, I think I should gracefully bow out of this conversation. I respect your right to your beliefs, but I don't necessarily think they are right.

Don't bow out yet. The only belief I stated in this thread was that if one was hypocritical, then so was the other. Is that what you're referring to?

sunnyday · #35 Postby **sunnyday** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:47 pm

If anyone supports the death penalty, I think he/she should consider two things. What if the person is wrongly convicted (innocent)? Secondly, could you pull the switch yourself?

sunnyday · #36 Postby **sunnyday** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:49 pm

The death penalty results in death; so does abortion.

stormraiser · #37 Postby **stormraiser** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:53 pm

No, I was referring to the belief by some that it isn't ok to kill killers but it is ok to take the life of an innocent unborn human being. That is what doesn't compute with me, but like I said, I don't think I have the right to enforce it on you, we will all be judged one day for how we lived our lives.

But I also don't think the purpose of government is to legislate morality, that is the job of each of our consciences. The job of government is to punish wrongdoers and commend those who do right.

OtherHD wrote:Don't bow out yet. The only belief I stated in this thread was that if one was hypocritical, then so was the other. Is that what you're referring to?

mf_dolphin · #38 Postby **mf_dolphin** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:56 pm

sunnyday wrote:The death penalty results in death; so does abortion.

The difference is that the death penalty is punishment for one's own action. Abortion is death to an innocent life for convience. If people can't see the difference between the two then they aren't thinking IMHO.

sunnyday wrote:If anyone supports the death penalty, I think he/she should consider two things. What if the person is wrongly convicted (innocent)? Secondly, could you pull the switch yourself?.

Any system of justice is inperfect. People who sit on death penalty cases bear a grave responsibility for sure! As to pulling the switch, there are plenty of cases where I would have absolutely no compulsion about pulling the switch. The DC sniper case is just one of them.

GalvestonDuck · #39 Postby **GalvestonDuck** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:10 pm

How does the saying go? "Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?"

And if it's an eye for an eye, why don't we kill women who have an abortion? What's the difference between a woman who has an abortion and Andrea Yates?

mf_dolphin · #40 Postby **mf_dolphin** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:20 pm

The simple difference is one is against man's laws and the other isn't. Notice I didn't say I agree with man's law but that's the facts! Remember.. "Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's"

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