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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#581 Postby GCANE » Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:47 am

Towers getting bigger now with colder cloud tops and heavier lightning.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#582 Postby kevin » Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:50 am

Latest VIS of Nicole:

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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#583 Postby cycloneye » Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:52 am

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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#584 Postby Nuno » Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:52 am

tolakram wrote:long IR loop from ST to Tropical
https://imgur.com/msxiB6b


Looks its feeling the high pressure already. Should start moving WSW or SW soon.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#585 Postby eastcoastFL » Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:53 am

It's very gusty this morning at the beach in Juno. Not sure of that's the pressure gradient, nicole or a combo but it's howling from time to time.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#586 Postby cycloneye » Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:55 am

Now moving westward.

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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#587 Postby aspen » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:08 am

cycloneye wrote:Now moving westward.

https://i.imgur.com/iF8aC8Y.png

Kind of looks like that newer burst of convection tugged the center. Too bad recon cut out for 20 minutes and we don’t have data for the max winds, which may have been higher than that one 55 kt barb.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#588 Postby Category5Kaiju » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:10 am

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Ok, so this is looking quite interesting.... :eek:
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#589 Postby GCANE » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:12 am

That small convection SE of the CoC has just gotten sucked into the tower.
Might see a good pressure drop in the next few recon passes.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#590 Postby otowntiger » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:15 am

Category5Kaiju wrote:https://i.imgur.com/Q75DW0d.gif

https://i.imgur.com/4BPkOwY.gif

Ok, so this is looking quite interesting.... :eek:
Please elaborate. Does that show less wind shear than originally expected? Thanks.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#591 Postby Jr0d » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:17 am

NASA is leaving Artemis on the pad. Too late to roll back now as its already too windy.

I think this was extremely poor planning to rollout when the computer models even last Friday were in good agreement about the tropical threat.

Now this will be on the pad with little protection in hurricane conditions. While there is no doubt some of the Space Shuttles endured extreme winds during severe thunderstorms in the pad, those were short duration events and the shuttle had some protection on the pad with the large "RSS" rotating service structure that offered some protection for the shuttle and enabled access to the cargo bay.

This will be a prolonged wind event and no doubt will cause not only further delays but could potentially damage Artemis 1 beyond repair.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#592 Postby Jevo » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:17 am

There’s that’s wsw movement we’ve been waiting for. It was a matter of time as it slowed down to go around the thumb ridge
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#593 Postby cycloneye » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:19 am

Jr0d wrote:NASA is leaving Artemis on the pad. Too late to roll back now as its already too windy.

I think this was extremely poor planning to rollout when the computer models even last Friday were in good agreement about the tropical threat.

Now this will be on the pad with little protection in hurricane conditions. While there is no doubt some of the Space Shuttles endured extreme winds during severe thunderstorms in the pad, those were short duration events and the shuttle had some protection on the pad with the large "RSS" rotating service structure that offered some protection for the shuttle and enabled access to the cargo bay.

This will be a prolonged wind event and no doubt will cause not only further delays but could potentially damage Artemis 1 beyond repair.


Oh boy. That project has been thru many delays and now looks like another one.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#594 Postby Category5Kaiju » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:20 am

otowntiger wrote:
Category5Kaiju wrote:https://i.imgur.com/Q75DW0d.gif

https://i.imgur.com/4BPkOwY.gif

Ok, so this is looking quite interesting.... :eek:
Please elaborate. Does that show less wind shear than originally expected? Thanks.


Yes, exactly. The mid level and deep layer shear do not look as bad over Nicole, but what I find particularly interesting is how Nicole is basically "cocooned" in a protective bubble, away from the higher areas of mid level shear.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#595 Postby GCANE » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am

Jr0d wrote:NASA is leaving Artemis on the pad. Too late to roll back now as its already too windy.

I think this was extremely poor planning to rollout when the computer models even last Friday were in good agreement about the tropical threat.

Now this will be on the pad with little protection in hurricane conditions. While there is no doubt some of the Space Shuttles endured extreme winds during severe thunderstorms in the pad, those were short duration events and the shuttle had some protection on the pad with the large "RSS" rotating service structure that offered some protection for the shuttle and enabled access to the cargo bay.

This will be a prolonged wind event and no doubt will cause not only further delays but could potentially damage Artemis 1 beyond repair.


Billions of dollars down the drain if that happens.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#596 Postby NDG » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:23 am

12z mid levels, here’s the ridge that will be pushing east and push Nicole westward towards FL at the same time, question is how far south-west it gets pushed before the more westward track begins tomorrow night.

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Working in S FL this morning then heading back to Orlando this afternoon to hunker down, is dejavú all over again, I was down here as well before Ian heading to FL.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#597 Postby jlauderdal » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:34 am

Jevo wrote:There’s that’s wsw movement we’ve been waiting for. It was a matter of time as it slowed down to go around the thumb ridge

The good old thumb ridge, I haven't seen that term here in awhile. If memory serves me correctly, there was thumb ridge that played a big part with IRMA
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#598 Postby Blown Away » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:34 am

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WOW, amazing transition!
I see hint of WSW, NHC has that starting after 18Z.
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#599 Postby Coolcruiseman » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:35 am

cycloneye wrote:More north the track now near Melbourne.

https://i.imgur.com/FfgBWZx.jpg


Not cool not cool. Especially when coupled with the "reports" last night that Cantore is in town (well Melbourne Beach)
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Re: ATL: NICOLE - Subtropical Storm - Discussion

#600 Postby Coolcruiseman » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:38 am

Steve H. wrote:She’s looking healthier. Wonder if they’re going to evacuate the beaches :?:


Any closures and evacs were to be announced today according to yesterday's 4 pm update from Brevard EM
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