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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3361 Postby South Texas Storms » Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:24 am

bubba hotep wrote:Things are getting a little spicy down in NW Houston

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl696koaYAA0dzD?format=jpg&name=small


Yeah too close for comfort, especially on a January night.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3362 Postby Brent » Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:18 am

South Texas Storms wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:Things are getting a little spicy down in NW Houston

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl696koaYAA0dzD?format=jpg&name=small


Yeah too close for comfort, especially on a January night.


We apparently had a record number of tornadoes for January on Monday. Kind of makes you wonder...
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3363 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:12 am

bubba hotep wrote:18z GEFS was by far the most encouraging run in a while. The GEFS is trending towards relaxing the Pacific jet and shifting equatorward. That allows for wave breaking across the NPAC and ridging into WCAN with some cold in place. The EPS is still a bit more aggressive with the Pacific jet, which results in a pattern that doesn't really build any cold anomalies (the air is still cold) so there is no big reservoir for the EPO to push down. It looks more seasonal to slightly below normal.


0z GEFS looks better.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3364 Postby gto67 » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:13 am

Thanks for the information on the SSW.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3365 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:50 am

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3366 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:54 am

Added tags. You're set now.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3367 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:20 pm

Ntxw wrote:Added tags. You're set now.


Thanks.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3368 Postby harp » Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:26 pm

Fwiw, end of GFS run shows cold air coming down…I realize that’s La La Land.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3369 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:27 pm

harp wrote:Fwiw, end of GFS run shows cold air coming down…I realize that’s La La Land.


I would say target date is after the 20th and near the ~25th for more models to latch on for step down. If it does dump cold it will likely take longer though maybe early February once the TPV matures.

20th-25th the ensembles flip the Pacific so hopefully OPs will go that way.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3370 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:34 pm

In about a week/week and half's time we should see cold pooling back into the continent (Northern Canada) and build up that source region. Then we have to wait and see what kind of delivery pattern we get.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3371 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:36 pm

For my sake, my original target date of the 20th doesn’t sound completely horrible anymore lol
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3372 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:37 pm

Cpv17 wrote:For my sake, my original target date of the 20th doesn’t sound completely horrible anymore lol


You made a good call, persistence. October, November, December all did the same. Took till ~20th of those months before things happened. TPV will be better than in December given climo and wavelengths so hopefully we can stretch it out through Feb.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3373 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:46 pm

Also the latest CFSv2 runs the Pacific ridge takes more of a poleward trip in early Feb. With a longwave trough over the C-E US. Has great potential pattern that's lasting, late Jan being only the appetizer. Interested to see if the euro weeklies follows this week.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3374 Postby WinterMax » Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:07 pm

Ntxw wrote:In about a week/week and half's time we should see cold pooling back into the continent (Northern Canada) and build up that source region. Then we have to wait and see what kind of delivery pattern we get.

https://i.imgur.com/vwMk74S.png



That’s some big time pooling, and very cold arctic air. I’m learning from people like you that, the models seem to experiment with likely scenarios until they get much closer to an event, so this could disappear and return several times on the operationals. Would that be fair to say?
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3375 Postby WinterMax » Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:13 pm

Ntxw wrote:In about a week/week and half's time we should see cold pooling back into the continent (Northern Canada) and build up that source region. Then we have to wait and see what kind of delivery pattern we get.

https://i.imgur.com/vwMk74S.png


By the way is that a paid version of tropical tidbits? I can only see the US map on the free version, unless I am missing some navigation feature on the the free version.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3376 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:24 pm

WinterMax wrote:
Ntxw wrote:In about a week/week and half's time we should see cold pooling back into the continent (Northern Canada) and build up that source region. Then we have to wait and see what kind of delivery pattern we get.

https://i.imgur.com/vwMk74S.png


By the way is that a paid version of tropical tidbits? I can only see the US map on the free version, unless I am missing some navigation feature on the free version.

There is no paid version of TT, all of the stuff there is free. It's on a different map that you can check by clicking/tapping "Regions".
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3377 Postby WinterMax » Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:45 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
WinterMax wrote:
Ntxw wrote:In about a week/week and half's time we should see cold pooling back into the continent (Northern Canada) and build up that source region. Then we have to wait and see what kind of delivery pattern we get.

https://i.imgur.com/vwMk74S.png


By the way is that a paid version of tropical tidbits? I can only see the US map on the free version, unless I am missing some navigation feature on the free version.

There is no paid version of TT, all of the stuff there is free. It's on a different map that you can check by clicking/tapping "Regions".



Thank you !
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3378 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:59 pm

WinterMax wrote:
Ntxw wrote:In about a week/week and half's time we should see cold pooling back into the continent (Northern Canada) and build up that source region. Then we have to wait and see what kind of delivery pattern we get.

https://i.imgur.com/vwMk74S.png



That’s some big time pooling, and very cold arctic air. I’m learning from people like you that, the models seem to experiment with likely scenarios until they get much closer to an event, so this could disappear and return several times on the operationals. Would that be fair to say?


Pretty much! It's all about probabilities looking long term. Ensembles at that range does much of the work and they've become pretty good at pattern depiction.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3379 Postby bubba hotep » Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:52 pm

If WCAN gets cold, then this could be another run at single digits. However, this run of the EPS doesn't do that with temps but the H5 pattern is there.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3380 Postby Itryatgolf » Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:03 pm

bubba hotep wrote:If WCAN gets cold, then this could be another run at single digits. However, this run of the EPS doesn't do that with temps but the H5 pattern is there.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/eps/2023010812/eps_z500aNorm_namer_61.png

I think that the only way we get cold with the setup depicted is if we get a -epo but if not, we won't imo
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