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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#321 Postby GCANE » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:36 pm

Nice helicity developing with that LLC convection.
Looks like a legit long-term hot tower.

It aint dead yet Jim
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#322 Postby ElectricStorm » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:50 pm

Certainly looks a lot worse now than I expected it to last night, it's chances of becoming a hurricane have definitely taken a big hit. That being said, nice new burst of convection over the center, if that can sustain and continue to build this time without the center becoming exposed again, I could still see this having around a 55-65kt peak or so. Needs to get going soon though since it's time in favorable conditions is becoming limited.
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#323 Postby GCANE » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:52 pm

Hot tower creating a symmetric CDO.
Very little shear.
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#324 Postby kevin » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:56 pm

Honestly looked pretty bad earlier today, but it is quickly improving.

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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#325 Postby tolakram » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:06 pm

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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#326 Postby GCANE » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:06 pm

Very strong updraft, the PV anomaly is dead for sure.
Convection much stronger than anything around it.
Good chance won't see anymore PV streamers from downdrafts of the surrounding convection.
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#327 Postby Nimbus » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:08 pm

Tops blew off near -45 as I expected but Brett looks like he is working some of the dry air out.
Recon data will be useful for the island forecast. Caribbean is still a hostile though.
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#328 Postby SFLcane » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:12 pm

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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#329 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:16 pm

Clear improvement but it looks like the center is tucked just under the western edge of that burst. As long as it can keep firing off bursts like this it should become better stacked with time.
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#330 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:32 pm

Up to 3.0

TXNT28 KNES 201823
TCSNTL

A. 03L (BRET)

B. 20/1800Z

C. 12.2N

D. 47.9W

E. THREE/GOES-E

F. T3.0/3.0

G. IR/EIR/VIS/AMSR2

H. REMARKS...A WELL DEFINED CDO MEASURING SLIGHTLY MORE THAN 60 NM
RESULTS IN A DT OF 3.0 AFTER ADDING 0.5 FOR A BANDING FEATURE THAT LIES
EAST OF THE CDO. MET IS 2.5 BASED ON A 24 HOUR STEADY TREND. PT IS ALSO
2.5. THE FT IS BASED ON THE DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

20/1641Z 12.2N 47.6W AMSR2


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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#331 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:42 pm

Up to 40kt at 18z Best Track.

AL, 03, 2023062018, , BEST, 0, 121N, 480W, 40, 1006, TS
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#332 Postby NDG » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:51 pm

12z Euro throws out the idea of Bret dissipating before reaching the Islands. It actually shows it becoming a hurricane for a short period early Thursday morning then weakening some before tracking through the Islands but shows near 70 mph wind gusts affecting the Islands.
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion: 18z Best Track up to 40kt

#333 Postby NDG » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:05 pm

Looking better than this morning.

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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#334 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:07 pm

NDG wrote:12z Euro throws out the idea of Bret dissipating before reaching the Islands. It actually shows it becoming a hurricane for a short period early Thursday morning then weakening some before tracking through the Islands but shows near 70 mph wind gusts affecting the Islands.


I'm not seeing that in the 12Z EC, NDG. I see a peak wind of 48 kts early Thursday, followed by weakening (Pivotal Weather). Down to 43 kts as it reaches the islands Thursday evening. Dissipation in east Caribbean.
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#335 Postby NDG » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:18 pm

wxman57 wrote:
NDG wrote:12z Euro throws out the idea of Bret dissipating before reaching the Islands. It actually shows it becoming a hurricane for a short period early Thursday morning then weakening some before tracking through the Islands but shows near 70 mph wind gusts affecting the Islands.


I'm not seeing that in the 12Z EC, NDG. I see a peak wind of 48 kts early Thursday, followed by weakening (Pivotal Weather). Down to 43 kts as it reaches the islands Thursday evening. Dissipation in east Caribbean.


Is on weather.us, HR run.
Pressure of 990mb, 82 mph winds with 119mph gusts, for a very quick period, 2-3 hr.

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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#336 Postby floridasun » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:20 pm

cycloneye wrote:Up to 40kt at 18z Best Track.

AL, 03, 2023062018, , BEST, 0, 121N, 480W, 40, 1006, TS

that 50mph?
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#337 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:29 pm

floridasun wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Up to 40kt at 18z Best Track.

AL, 03, 2023062018, , BEST, 0, 121N, 480W, 40, 1006, TS

that 50mph?


Is 45 mph.
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#338 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:34 pm

NDG wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
NDG wrote:12z Euro throws out the idea of Bret dissipating before reaching the Islands. It actually shows it becoming a hurricane for a short period early Thursday morning then weakening some before tracking through the Islands but shows near 70 mph wind gusts affecting the Islands.


I'm not seeing that in the 12Z EC, NDG. I see a peak wind of 48 kts early Thursday, followed by weakening (Pivotal Weather). Down to 43 kts as it reaches the islands Thursday evening. Dissipation in east Caribbean.


Is on weather.us, HR run.
Pressure of 990mb, 82 mph winds with 119mph gusts, for a very quick period, 2-3 hr.

https://i.imgur.com/b56WzY3.png
https://i.imgur.com/0jA2B4e.png
https://i.imgur.com/5N7r3Ah.png


They hide their maps well on that site. All I can find is a map showing the U.S. Can't find a tropical section. Must need to pay for a subscription.

I plotted the winds on our high-res version and I see the higher winds at 03Z and 06Z Thursday, followed by a weakening to 40-45 mph right after.
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#339 Postby floridasun » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:56 pm

both tropicaltidbit and weather nerd last sat frame got issue this afternoon
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Re: ATL: BRET - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#340 Postby aspen » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:12 pm

NDG wrote:Looking better than this morning.

https://i.imgur.com/9Q913lM.jpg

Center is finally covered back up again on visible imagery. I wonder how much Bret will be able to strengthen under the favorable UL pattern tomorrow before shear will likely increase again starting Thursday.
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