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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#121 Postby Ntxw » Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:51 am

If you consider the ECMWF issues/bias, with what the 0z run showed Dora might become a monster southwest of Hawaii going poleward. OHC will be really good out that way if the structure stays intact.

This has potential for a crazy amount of ACE.
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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#122 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:12 am

Ntxw wrote:If you consider the ECMWF issues/bias, with what the 0z run showed Dora might become a monster southwest of Hawaii going poleward. OHC will be really good out that way if the structure stays intact.

This has potential for a crazy amount of ACE.


GFS also has the crossover to WPAC, but much weaker. It would be a huge ACE producer if is able to do that.
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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#124 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:37 am

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Increasingly ragged CDO in which the area of coldest cloud tops have shrunk while the eye also cooling. I am inclined to think it is in the middle of a ERC that will probably quickly complete itself in upcoming hours given the small size of the storm and eyewall. This is to be expected in initial pinhole eye TCs.
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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#125 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:43 am

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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#126 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:47 am

Ntxw wrote:If you consider the ECMWF issues/bias, with what the 0z run showed Dora might become a monster southwest of Hawaii going poleward. OHC will be really good out that way if the structure stays intact.

This has potential for a crazy amount of ACE.


I'm a little hesitant to believe this will make it past 140-150W as a potent system. We've seen compact systems (Felicia 21 comes to mind) thrive in weak easterly shear but once the shear vector flips westerly, which is both against the storm motion and against the storm's internal NW shear created by beta drift, it becomes to unravel fast. GFS has this flip in the vector occurring by day 4 due to strong trades in the CPAC outrunning UL easterly flow but it's also possible a stronger system in the short term alters the upper environment a bit.
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#127 Postby Hurricane2022 » Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:48 am

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#128 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:52 am

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Re: EPAC: DORA - Tropical Storm - Discussion: 10 AM MDT Advisory=50kt / forecast to be cat 3

#129 Postby Cyclenall » Wed Aug 02, 2023 11:53 am

Cyclenall wrote: When is the dreaded pinhole eye going to present?

7am today. Its already collapsing though.
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Re: EPAC: DORA - Tropical Storm - Discussion: 10 AM MDT Advisory=50kt / forecast to be cat 3

#130 Postby Hurricane2022 » Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:10 pm

Cyclenall wrote:
Cyclenall wrote: When is the dreaded pinhole eye going to present?

7am today. Its already collapsing though.

Not for long.
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Re: EPAC: DORA - Tropical Storm - Discussion: 10 AM MDT Advisory=50kt / forecast to be cat 3

#131 Postby Ntxw » Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:11 pm

Cyclenall wrote:
Cyclenall wrote: When is the dreaded pinhole eye going to present?

7am today. Its already collapsing though.


And trying to comeback. This is going to be a recurring theme with the SW movement and tiny core. Pulses but looks great.

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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#132 Postby Sciencerocks » Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:22 pm

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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#133 Postby lilbump3000 » Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:28 pm

Dora just keeps on intensifying.

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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#134 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:37 pm

TXPZ21 KNES 021821
TCSENP

A. 05E (DORA)

B. 02/1800Z

C. 15.4N

D. 115.1W

E. ONE/GOES-E

F. T5.0/5.0

G. IR/EIR/VIS

H. REMARKS...B EYE SURROUNDED AND EMBEDDED WITHIN W YIELDS A DT OF 5.0
AFTER 1.0 SUBTRACTED FOR AN EYE ADJUSTMENT. MET=4.5 AND PT=5.0. THE FT
IS BASED ON THE DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#135 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:42 pm

EP, 05, 2023080218, , BEST, 0, 155N, 1149W, 90, 976, HU
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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#136 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:55 pm

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12z GFS shows easterly shear being a bit of a problem tomorrow.
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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#137 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:18 pm

Got that curved band back. Feel like that's been allowing it struggle with the dry air. Hopefully it can transition away from it soon.
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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#138 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:28 pm

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12z ECMWF is starting to correct towards a stronger system and peaks this in a week south of Hawaii.
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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#139 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:30 pm

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Pretty clear northeasterly shear.
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Re: EPAC: DORA - Hurricane - Discussion

#140 Postby Hurricane2022 » Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:04 pm

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