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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#561 Postby FLLurker32 » Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:38 pm

tolakram wrote:
LandoWill wrote:Always expected it to shift back west or panhandle based on the models, it just doesn't make sense, it's why tampa hasn't seen a hurricane in 100 years, it's not just luck. GFC has stayed west this entire time.


Just luck, and someday it will end, possibly with this storm. Hoping we have good model solutions now, but the overnight runs will, again hopefully, give us the final answer.

https://i.imgur.com/EQ8UH09.png


Looks very similar to the 18z in house future cast model WESH 2 uses. It did well with Ian.
 https://twitter.com/ericburriswesh/status/1695941999839371357


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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#562 Postby Ianswfl » Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:42 pm

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tolakram wrote:
LandoWill wrote:Always expected it to shift back west or panhandle based on the models, it just doesn't make sense, it's why tampa hasn't seen a hurricane in 100 years, it's not just luck. GFC has stayed west this entire time.


Just luck, and someday it will end, possibly with this storm. Hoping we have good model solutions now, but the overnight runs will, again hopefully, give us the final answer.

https://i.imgur.com/EQ8UH09.png


Looks very similar to the 18z in house future cast model WESH 2 uses. It did well with Ian.
https://twitter.com/ericburriswesh/status/1695941999839371357?s=46&t=5tHWzQ5n1A-eZvMR9vTsCA


Their model brings it closer to tampa than other models. If it behaves like charley it could easily hit Bradenton instead.
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#563 Postby tolakram » Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:50 pm

18Z Euro landfall
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#564 Postby chris_fit » Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:50 pm

18z Euro shows that NNW jump around Cuba that the GFS keeps insisting on. That jump might be the saving grace for TB area.
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#565 Postby NDG » Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:51 pm

18z Euro catching on the stronger trend. At least Cat 3 at landfall is becoming more and more likely.

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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#566 Postby chris_fit » Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:53 pm

18z EPS trending quite a bit more robust.

Anyone have the 18z UK?
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#567 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:54 pm

LandoWill wrote:
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LandoWill wrote:Always expected it to shift back west or panhandle based on the models, it just doesn't make sense, it's why tampa hasn't seen a hurricane in 100 years, it's not just luck. GFC has stayed west this entire time.

What about it doesn’t make sense or isn’t just luck? Can you elaborate?

Sure, what didn't make sense was the shift east by models, but once they got actual science input in them, they corrected themselves. The luck part was based on data, it seems like based on tampa's geographic location, cold fronts etc.. don't come far enough south to force it east, which is why the panhandle always gets them, same with louisanna and texas, Just the lucky tampa has, that being said. i am sure the once-in-a-century situation could present itself.

I was gonna push you on what you meant by “actual science”, but dude, come on. Someone in Tampa could come on here as a guest, read that, and think they’re in the clear because of the “hurricane shield” people mention each year.

A Tampa landfall is entirely possible given the uncertainty here. It’s fortunate they haven’t been hit up to this point, but that has no bearing on the current setup. Models could shift east again, or back west, or lock in on the current heading, and each of those outcomes is within the margin of error this far out. People in this area need to be on guard, and if it turns out they bought some extra water and fuel for their generators for nothing, that’s a lot better problem than getting caught with their pants down. It’s also worth pointing out that the gfs was west of the track the whole way with Ian and was very, very incorrect.
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#568 Postby cycloneye » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:02 pm

Tight clustered on the 00z run of the hurricane models but spread increases at the coast of Carolinas.

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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#569 Postby chris_fit » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:02 pm

tolakram wrote:
PavelGaborik10 wrote:Starting to look like the GFS was correct after all, Euro goes W.


GFS didn't even have a storm (too far west). GFS goes east, euro goes west.

UKMET, as far as it goes this run, I think.

https://i.imgur.com/e3wV32a.png


Thanks! How's that compare to the prior run?
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#570 Postby Hurrilurker » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:05 pm

cycloneye wrote:Tight clustered on the 00z run of the hurricane models but spread increases at the coast of Carolinas.

https://i.imgur.com/twit0WI.png

Interesting that the official forecast track is all the way on the east side of the cluster up until landfall. I wonder why.
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#571 Postby tolakram » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:05 pm

chris_fit wrote:Thanks! How's that compare to the prior run?


A good deal east it appears. weather.us model viewer stinks. :lol:

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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#572 Postby NDG » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:11 pm

The all important latest 0z TVCN.

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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#573 Postby ronjon » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:12 pm

18z GFS and Euro now maybe 20 miles apart at landfall ranging from SE Taylor County to NW Dixie County. NHC track now on the eastern edge of guidance.
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#574 Postby chris_fit » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:12 pm

NDG wrote:The all important latest 0z TVCN.

https://i.imgur.com/5CsHSzc.jpg


Still seems like one right wobble away from the bay area.
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#575 Postby FLLurker32 » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:17 pm

NDG wrote:The all important latest 0z TVCN.

https://i.imgur.com/5CsHSzc.jpg

I hope so. That’s best case scenario. Even a 30-40 mile shift south from current tvcn would make for a huge difference in impacts.
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#576 Postby cycloneye » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:21 pm

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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#577 Postby Ianswfl » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:29 pm

18z Euro ensembles more zoned in now for big bend area. Lots of major members on this run! One concerning thing is the continued slow, south movement tonight. If the timing is just off a bit, it could send this into Tampa instead.

https://weather.us/cyclone-tracks/euro/ ... 8-240.html
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#578 Postby ronjon » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:38 pm

Consensus of models pointing to Steinhatchee area near the Taylor-Dixie County line in 60 hrs. Fortunately this area is sparsely populated and probably the least impactful area on the Florida west coast. On the other side of the coin, due to the concave nature of the coast and angle of approach, storm surge will be high and Cedar Key will likely see the largest inundation. Storm tides could be high all the way down to Tampa Bay if a major hurricane materalizes.
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#579 Postby Kohlecane » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:39 pm

cycloneye wrote:Tight clustered on the 00z run of the hurricane models but spread increases at the coast of Carolinas.

https://i.imgur.com/twit0WI.png

Yeah keeping a close eye on this over here in The Lowcountry of SC. A quicker cross over and hug to the coastline would be rough.
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Re: ATL: IDALIA - Models

#580 Postby Spacecoast » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:45 pm

18z EPS
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