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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Models

#141 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:48 am

SconnieCane wrote:
869MB wrote:Unfortunately, in my opinion, a 1989 Hurricane Hugo 500mb upper-level pattern can't be ruled out at this juncture. Just 24 to 36 hours ago, I really didn't think such a pattern would ever materialize. But now, I'm not quite so sure. The latest Operational GFS and Euro runs are kind of trending in that direction but in different manners. Nonetheless, most of us have been doing this long enough to know to never take mid to long-range upper patterns verbatim, and calling Fish Storm or CONUS strike based upon these models is premature. With that being said, I have the Hugo upper-level pattern memorized and will be very closely observing how the models resolve the pattern over the forthcoming days.

The U.S. 500mb Geopotential Height Composite Mean between 8/15/1989 and 8/19/1989...

https://psl.noaa.gov/tmp/composites/comphour.cEycrb_WAj.gif

12Z Euro run at 240hrs..

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=ecmwf&region=us&pkg=z500_mslp&runtime=2023090312&fh=12


For those of you not familiar with Hurricane Hugo, here's a link for reference...
https://www.weather.gov/ilm/hurricanehugo
https://www.weather.gov/images/ilm/climate/hugo/Hugo_track2.png


An aside, but I've long been curious about the "135 MPH" often attributed to Hugo's SC landfall. With the way NHC's kt-to-MPH conversion and rounding works, 135 MPH would never be operationally reported in an advisory. It would either be 115 kt = 132.3 MPH-rounds down to 130 MPH (the 2012 tweaks to the SSHWS made this the low end of Category 4, rather than having it remain within Category 3 by 1 MPH as previously); or 120 kt = 138.1 MPH-rounds up to 140 MPH. So which one was Hugo?

When Hugo was 115kt the conversion to mph was 135mph, as were all 115kt cat4s prior to 2012, so that it would fit within the category when rounding to 5mph increments.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#142 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:51 am

12z Best Track:

AL, 95, 2023090412, , BEST, 0, 113N, 333W, 30, 1010, DB


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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#143 Postby hipshot » Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:59 am

Dsci4 wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Organizing fairly fast.

https://i.imgur.com/FBeR96v.gif


Still waiting to see where this decides to come together. Just looking at that loop there appears to be two areas… one by 12N and another closer to 10N. The area by 12N I believe is the forecasted spot for TCG

Edit: looking again I’m seeing it actually right around 11N and I’m only seeing one area

That's what I thought too, 11N but it is a little hard to tell. There sure seems to be a lot of easterly shear, when is that forecast to go away?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#144 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:18 am

The 12z run of SHIP has weak to sometimes moderate shear and that is why the models are very bullish.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#145 Postby zzzh » Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:14 am

3. ADDITIONAL DAY OUTLOOK: POSSIBLE MISSION INTO AL95 NEAR
16.2N 52.5W FOR 07/2330Z.

Recon scheduled.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#146 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:17 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#147 Postby aspen » Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:21 am


Watch, once this develops or is about to develop, ASCAT will miss every single time.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#148 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:37 am

This could stop the intensity if it goes that way.

 https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/1698673485529112961


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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#149 Postby LarryWx » Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:54 am

cycloneye wrote:This could stop the intensity if it goes that way.

https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/1698673485529112961


If this were to head to Bermuda, it could keep the intensity down from wherever it would otherwise be even if it were to still be very strong.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#150 Postby Sciencerocks » Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:23 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#151 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:28 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#152 Postby gatorcane » Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:56 am



Also we have seen this pattern a lot this summer as well, Bermuda High has been either non-existent or on the weak side. It was an early indicator that so far is verifying as we head into the peak.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#153 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:17 pm

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#154 Postby zzzh » Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:23 pm

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#155 Postby abajan » Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:57 pm

Excerpt from 2 PM Tropical Weather Outlook:
Central Tropical Atlantic (AL95):
Satellite imagery indicates that an area of low pressure has formed
from the tropical wave centered about 700 miles west-southwest of
the Cabo Verde Islands. The low-level circulation has become better
defined since yesterday, with increasing organization in the shower
and thunderstorm activity. Environmental conditions are forecast to
be conducive for further development, and this system is expected to
become a tropical depression or a tropical storm in a day or two.
Additional strengthening is likely late this week while the system
moves westward to west-northwestward at 15 to 20 mph over the
central and western portions of the tropical Atlantic. For
additional information on this system, including gale warnings, see
High Seas Forecasts issued by the National Weather Service.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...90 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...high...near 100 percent.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#156 Postby zzzh » Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:58 pm

Wow, this is the first time I see 90/100 on a system.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion: 2 PM TWO: 90%/100%

#157 Postby Blown Away » Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:17 pm

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Seems like Bermuda and Azores are the areas that need to watch open Atlantic in 2023 or unless something brews in the Caribbean and gets yanked out by this persistent EC Trough.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion: 2 PM TWO: 90%/100%

#158 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:20 pm

Blown Away wrote:[url]https://i.postimg.cc/hGybvqsj/EB1-FD0-FB-9-ED8-4320-BD02-6-A93-BFE71509.jpg [/url]

Seems like Bermuda and Azores are the areas that need to watch open Atlantic in 2023 or unless something brews in the Caribbean and gets yanked out by this persistent EC Trough.


The NE Leeward Islands are not on the all clear yet.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion: 2 PM TWO: 90%/100%

#159 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:42 pm

TXNT22 KNES 041836
TCSNTL

A. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE (95L)

B. 04/1800Z

C. 11.2N

D. 34.5W

E. FIVE/GOES-E

F. T1.5/1.5

G. IR/EIR/VIS

H. REMARKS...3/10 BANDING RESULTS IN A DT OF 1.5. THE MET IS 1.0 AND
THE PT IS 1.5. THE FT IS BASED ON THE DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


...BROW
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#160 Postby Dsci4 » Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:46 pm



This shows the main area to be centered or on the northern half of the bigger area of convection however the last ascat showed 2 areas of wind changing direction. The upper area def seems more dominant let’s hope that’s the one that forms otherwise this starts out a full degree lower than models have it
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