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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#541 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Wed Sep 06, 2023 10:39 pm

IcyTundra wrote:
Tekken_Guy wrote:How is NJ looking?


Too early to say but people in NJ need to keep an eye on Lee for sure. Hopefully by the end of the weekend we will have a better idea of what Lee will do.


Indeed, with model run-to-run inconsistency involving the evolution of the next two troughs (the weekend one and one that comes down mid-late next week) literally anything is possible from OTS to NC.

Edit - Heck, I'm not 100% convinced points south of the NC coast are safe from at least a brush.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#542 Postby Keldeo1997 » Wed Sep 06, 2023 10:59 pm

Question: Could Jova's out of nowhere RI affect the track for Lee? Like Jova being much stronger then expected changing how the Trough evolves? Probably doesn't matter but just thinking about it.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#543 Postby Category5Kaiju » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:03 pm

Keldeo1997 wrote:Question: Could Jova's out of nowhere RI affect the track for Lee? Like Jova being much stronger then expected changing how the Trough evolves? Probably doesn't matter but just thinking about it.


I think it's way too far away (and too far south) to have any noticeable impact. It's not a recurving storm either as far as I can tell
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#544 Postby Meteorcane » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:04 pm

Another GFS run with slightly stronger subtropical ridging in the medium range, and a stronger Margot upstream of Lee. Very minor northward shift in track so far (mostly caused by short-term motion trends early in the forecast rather than significant synoptic differences).

At about the 6 day mark, system is basically crawling in a region of very weak flow as the subtropical ridge breaks down... fortunately hasn't gained much longitude this run (if anything is a little east of 18Z) so Turks and Caicos/Eastern Bahamas looking ok (actually a blocking ridge may start to nose up from the Carib in this region (which explains the slow GFS motion) and may ultimately save that region from impact.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#545 Postby Dsci4 » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:04 pm

Keldeo1997 wrote:Question: Could Jova's out of nowhere RI affect the track for Lee? Like Jova being much stronger then expected changing how the Trough evolves? Probably doesn't matter but just thinking about it.


This was being discussed on Twitter (I can’t remember where atm) Something about Rossby waves and Jova possibly throwing a curveball into things.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#546 Postby IcyTundra » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:04 pm

Strongest run for the GFS in a while gets Lee down to 927 MB. Trough is also weaker this run.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#547 Postby chaser1 » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:14 pm

Tekken_Guy wrote:How is NJ looking?


New Jersey along with much of the Eastern Seaboard should absolutely keep an eye on what will surely be a deadly strong hurricane. Why a potential threat to New Jersey? I'll toss this potential scenario bomb out for consideration.

Following several days of intensification, then leveling off, then further strengthening again, Lee's forward motion might slow and sputter just enough to reach a COL in the wake of a trough seemingly shunted by building heights north of the storm.... perhaps exaserbated by Lee's tremendous outflow superheating the upper atmosphere. Even as the next stronger short wave is progged to drop sharply southward out of Canada and then to dive well south of the Great Lakes, a broad 200 mb low begins to take shape on all the regional and global models over the SE CONUS. After a couple of continual cycles of Gulfstream atmospheric sampling, models begin to detect this upper level low is actually evident all the way down to the 400 mb level and suddenly retrograding westward under building heights over the far Western Atlantic and New England. Models then react by driving major hurricane Lee to take a sharp left turn with a little under 36 hr's before the deadly hurricane officially landfalls at Seaside Heights roughly an hour north of Atlantic City. Massive flooding ensues with inundating storm surge along with catastrophic rainfall as high as 18" in isolated locations well inland spreading north well into New York as a result of the nearly stalled hurricane barely west of the coastline that eventually feels the tug north and northeastwards ahead of the next stronger impulse that finally drops southward within the increasingly progressive pattern.

You just never know, until you do.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#548 Postby AtlanticWind » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:20 pm

SouthFLTropics wrote:ICON brings this north of Puerto Rico and slows it down to a crawl… barely moving.


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Canadian seems to slow it way down too
Don’t like that, allows time for pattern change possibly?
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#549 Postby Blown Away » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:20 pm

GFS says 1 week from now Lee will be just N of PR and still E of Florida… :double:
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#550 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:20 pm

Here is why in a nutshell people are so worried about Lee -

Extended Forecast Discussion
NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD
341 PM EDT Wed Sep 06 2023

Valid 12Z Sat Sep 09 2023 - 12Z Wed Sep 13 2023

...Hazardous Heat from the south-central U.S to the Southwest...

19Z Update: The 12Z model guidance suite is in good overall
agreement on the synoptic scale through the upcoming weekend
across the U.S., and differences first become apparent across the
Pacific Northwest early next week with the timing of the next
storm system. There are also some minor differences with the
strength and longitudinal placement of the trough over the Great
Lakes and Ohio Valley region going into the middle of the week.
Overall, a multi-deterministic blend works well as a starting
point in the forecast process through early Monday, followed by up
to 30% of the ensemble means by next Wednesday. /Hamrick

...Guidance Evaluation/Predictability Assessment...

The WPC medium range product suite was primarily derived from a
broad composite blend of reasonably well clustered mid-larger
scale guidance of the 18 UTC GFS/GEFS mean and the 12 UTC
ECMWF/UKMET/ECMWF ensemble mean along with the 01 UTC National
Blend of Models in an overall pattern with seemingly above normal
predictability. The blend tends to mitigate much of the less
predictable smaller scale variances consistent with uncertainty.
WPC product continuity is well maintained in this manner and
latest guidance from the 00 UTC model cycle generally remains
consistent.

...Weather/Hazards Highlights...

Amplified upper troughing will settle over the East through the
weekend into early next week as anchored by an upper low over
Hudson Bay and as a series of weaker impulses ride over the top
then to the lee of a transitioning upper ridge as it strengthens
over the South and expands westward into the Southwest. With this
ridge in place, hot late summer temperatures will linger across
the south-central U.S. and the Southwest through this weekend.

High dewpoints and humidity especially near the western Gulf Coast
will lead to dangerous heat indices as high as 115 degrees. Above
normal temperatures by about 10-15 degrees should persist into the
weekend broadly across the south-central U.S. and into the
Southwest. Many daily record high minimum and maximum temperatures
are likely to be set, with perhaps even a few monthly records, in
what has proven to be a sweltering summer. Upper-level energy
trending southward should help to reduce the strength of the ridge
and begin to bring temperatures to still hot but more reasonable
levels next week.

Meanwhile in this pattern, the northern Mid-Atlantic and the
Northeast offer a main area for precipitation to focus, given
higher precipitable water values than average and instability
pooling ahead of the upper trough and wavy surface frontal system.
While rain amounts should be mainly moderate, the ingredients will
be in place for localized heavier rain totals especially because
storms may be slow-moving and relatively parallel to the front,
allowing for potential training of storms. The WPC Day 4/5
Excessive Rainfall Outlooks (EROs) denote Marginal risk areas for
this weekend from the northern Mid-Atlantic into the Northeast as
convection looks to have a relatively better focus near/ahead of
the front and favorable right entrance region upper jet support.
The Marginal Risks encompass lower FFGs mainly from Pennsylvania
into New York and includes favored terrain of the Poconos and
Catskills to the Adirondacks. Rain chances should gradually
decrease into next week along the Eastern Seaboard as the fronts
push east off the coast. For the 19Z update, the Day 4 Marginal
Risk area is planned to be extended to the southwest to basically
cover the spine of the Appalachians from western NC to Vermont,
where a better deterministic model signal exists in the 12Z
guidance for patchy areas of heavy QPF maxima. For Day 5, the
existing Marginal Risk is planned to cover most of New England
except for the coastal areas.

Upstream, a series of shortwaves look to work from the Pacific
through the West/Northwest and inland across the Intermountain
West, albeit in a pattern with limited precipitation this weekend
into early next week. Convection may start to become more
widespread and better organized in the northern Rockies/Plains by
Saturday before working down more earnestly through the Plains
Sunday, where some heavy rain totals are expected locally. A
guidance signal is growing for this convective potential over the
central Plains for the WPC Day 5/Sunday ERO where a "Marginal"
risk area is shown. Forecast uncertainty is greater, but it seems
the main rainfall focus in this pattern may shift more to the
southern Plains and possibly the Upper Midwest early next week
with system emergence and flow translation.

Schichtel/Hamrick


Additional 3-7 Day Hazard information can be found on the WPC
medium range hazards outlook chart at:
https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/threats/threats.php
Hazards:
- Heavy rain across portions of the Central Plains and the
Southern Plains, Sun, Sep 10.
- Heavy rain across portions of the Mid-Atlantic, the Northeast,
and the Central Appalachians, Sat,
Sep 9.
- Flooding occurring or imminent across portions of the Southeast
and the Mid-Atlantic.
- Flooding likely across portions of the Southeast.
- Hazardous heat across portions of the Southern Rockies, the
Southern Plains, the Lower
Mississippi Valley, California, and the Southwest, Sat-Sun, Sep
9-Sep 10.

WPC medium range 500mb heights, surface systems, weather grids,
quantitative precipitation forecast, excessive rainfall outlook,
winter weather outlook probabilities, heat indices and Key
Messages are at:


https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/hpcdiscussions.php?disc=pmdepd

The bold part is the exact same pattern we had in July and early August that funneled non-stop moisture up the entire East Coast leading to intermittent bursts of historic flooding in Vermont, New York State, Nova Scotia, etc. Now, if that pattern captures Lee, well, a nightmare scenario could unfold.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#551 Postby LarryWx » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:27 pm

0Z UKMET: stronger but similar track to 12Z run recurving near 70W. Initialized pretty well on position.

HURRICANE LEE ANALYSED POSITION : 15.0N 47.0W

ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL132023

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
0000UTC 07.09.2023 0 15.0N 47.0W 998 52
1200UTC 07.09.2023 12 15.9N 49.4W 994 48
0000UTC 08.09.2023 24 16.7N 51.8W 993 50
1200UTC 08.09.2023 36 17.5N 54.2W 993 56
0000UTC 09.09.2023 48 18.3N 56.3W 993 59
1200UTC 09.09.2023 60 19.2N 58.4W 994 57
0000UTC 10.09.2023 72 20.0N 60.0W 991 54
1200UTC 10.09.2023 84 20.9N 61.7W 989 57
0000UTC 11.09.2023 96 21.6N 63.0W 985 53
1200UTC 11.09.2023 108 22.3N 64.7W 979 51
0000UTC 12.09.2023 120 23.1N 66.1W 975 59
1200UTC 12.09.2023 132 23.6N 67.5W 973 63
0000UTC 13.09.2023 144 24.2N 68.6W 963 73
1200UTC 13.09.2023 156 24.8N 69.2W 957 84
0000UTC 14.09.2023 168 26.3N 69.9W 951 82
Last edited by LarryWx on Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#552 Postby Meteorcane » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:27 pm

Apologies for the long GIF... but I think it really highlights the pattern uncertainty as we head into the day 7+ range (and why I wouldn't let my guard down on the east coast or Atlantic Canada (and obviously Bermuda)). Here are the last 2 days worth of GFS runs...

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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#553 Postby Tekken_Guy » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:35 pm

Hybridstorm_November2001 wrote:Here is why in a nutshell people are so worried about Lee -

Extended Forecast Discussion
NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD
341 PM EDT Wed Sep 06 2023

Valid 12Z Sat Sep 09 2023 - 12Z Wed Sep 13 2023

...Hazardous Heat from the south-central U.S to the Southwest...

19Z Update: The 12Z model guidance suite is in good overall
agreement on the synoptic scale through the upcoming weekend
across the U.S., and differences first become apparent across the
Pacific Northwest early next week with the timing of the next
storm system. There are also some minor differences with the
strength and longitudinal placement of the trough over the Great
Lakes and Ohio Valley region going into the middle of the week.
Overall, a multi-deterministic blend works well as a starting
point in the forecast process through early Monday, followed by up
to 30% of the ensemble means by next Wednesday. /Hamrick

...Guidance Evaluation/Predictability Assessment...

The WPC medium range product suite was primarily derived from a
broad composite blend of reasonably well clustered mid-larger
scale guidance of the 18 UTC GFS/GEFS mean and the 12 UTC
ECMWF/UKMET/ECMWF ensemble mean along with the 01 UTC National
Blend of Models in an overall pattern with seemingly above normal
predictability. The blend tends to mitigate much of the less
predictable smaller scale variances consistent with uncertainty.
WPC product continuity is well maintained in this manner and
latest guidance from the 00 UTC model cycle generally remains
consistent.

...Weather/Hazards Highlights...

Amplified upper troughing will settle over the East through the
weekend into early next week as anchored by an upper low over
Hudson Bay and as a series of weaker impulses ride over the top
then to the lee of a transitioning upper ridge as it strengthens
over the South and expands westward into the Southwest. With this
ridge in place, hot late summer temperatures will linger across
the south-central U.S. and the Southwest through this weekend.

High dewpoints and humidity especially near the western Gulf Coast
will lead to dangerous heat indices as high as 115 degrees. Above
normal temperatures by about 10-15 degrees should persist into the
weekend broadly across the south-central U.S. and into the
Southwest. Many daily record high minimum and maximum temperatures
are likely to be set, with perhaps even a few monthly records, in
what has proven to be a sweltering summer. Upper-level energy
trending southward should help to reduce the strength of the ridge
and begin to bring temperatures to still hot but more reasonable
levels next week.

Meanwhile in this pattern, the northern Mid-Atlantic and the
Northeast offer a main area for precipitation to focus, given
higher precipitable water values than average and instability
pooling ahead of the upper trough and wavy surface frontal system.
While rain amounts should be mainly moderate, the ingredients will
be in place for localized heavier rain totals especially because
storms may be slow-moving and relatively parallel to the front,
allowing for potential training of storms. The WPC Day 4/5
Excessive Rainfall Outlooks (EROs) denote Marginal risk areas for
this weekend from the northern Mid-Atlantic into the Northeast as
convection looks to have a relatively better focus near/ahead of
the front and favorable right entrance region upper jet support.
The Marginal Risks encompass lower FFGs mainly from Pennsylvania
into New York and includes favored terrain of the Poconos and
Catskills to the Adirondacks. Rain chances should gradually
decrease into next week along the Eastern Seaboard as the fronts
push east off the coast. For the 19Z update, the Day 4 Marginal
Risk area is planned to be extended to the southwest to basically
cover the spine of the Appalachians from western NC to Vermont,
where a better deterministic model signal exists in the 12Z
guidance for patchy areas of heavy QPF maxima. For Day 5, the
existing Marginal Risk is planned to cover most of New England
except for the coastal areas.

Upstream, a series of shortwaves look to work from the Pacific
through the West/Northwest and inland across the Intermountain
West, albeit in a pattern with limited precipitation this weekend
into early next week. Convection may start to become more
widespread and better organized in the northern Rockies/Plains by
Saturday before working down more earnestly through the Plains
Sunday, where some heavy rain totals are expected locally. A
guidance signal is growing for this convective potential over the
central Plains for the WPC Day 5/Sunday ERO where a "Marginal"
risk area is shown. Forecast uncertainty is greater, but it seems
the main rainfall focus in this pattern may shift more to the
southern Plains and possibly the Upper Midwest early next week
with system emergence and flow translation.

Schichtel/Hamrick


Additional 3-7 Day Hazard information can be found on the WPC
medium range hazards outlook chart at:
https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/threats/threats.php
Hazards:
- Heavy rain across portions of the Central Plains and the
Southern Plains, Sun, Sep 10.
- Heavy rain across portions of the Mid-Atlantic, the Northeast,
and the Central Appalachians, Sat,
Sep 9.
- Flooding occurring or imminent across portions of the Southeast
and the Mid-Atlantic.
- Flooding likely across portions of the Southeast.
- Hazardous heat across portions of the Southern Rockies, the
Southern Plains, the Lower
Mississippi Valley, California, and the Southwest, Sat-Sun, Sep
9-Sep 10.

WPC medium range 500mb heights, surface systems, weather grids,
quantitative precipitation forecast, excessive rainfall outlook,
winter weather outlook probabilities, heat indices and Key
Messages are at:


https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/hpcdiscussions.php?disc=pmdepd

The bold part is the exact same pattern we had in July and early August that funneled non-stop moisture up the entire East Coast leading to intermittent bursts of historic flooding in Vermont, New York State, Nova Scotia, etc. Now, if that pattern captures Lee, well, a nightmare scenario could unfold.


Who will get the worst of Lee if that’s the scenario?
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#554 Postby PavelGaborik10 » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:36 pm

GFS back to nuking Nova Scotia I see.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#555 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:37 pm

Tekken_Guy wrote:
Hybridstorm_November2001 wrote:Here is why in a nutshell people are so worried about Lee -

Extended Forecast Discussion
NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD
341 PM EDT Wed Sep 06 2023

Valid 12Z Sat Sep 09 2023 - 12Z Wed Sep 13 2023

...Hazardous Heat from the south-central U.S to the Southwest...

19Z Update: The 12Z model guidance suite is in good overall
agreement on the synoptic scale through the upcoming weekend
across the U.S., and differences first become apparent across the
Pacific Northwest early next week with the timing of the next
storm system. There are also some minor differences with the
strength and longitudinal placement of the trough over the Great
Lakes and Ohio Valley region going into the middle of the week.
Overall, a multi-deterministic blend works well as a starting
point in the forecast process through early Monday, followed by up
to 30% of the ensemble means by next Wednesday. /Hamrick

...Guidance Evaluation/Predictability Assessment...

The WPC medium range product suite was primarily derived from a
broad composite blend of reasonably well clustered mid-larger
scale guidance of the 18 UTC GFS/GEFS mean and the 12 UTC
ECMWF/UKMET/ECMWF ensemble mean along with the 01 UTC National
Blend of Models in an overall pattern with seemingly above normal
predictability. The blend tends to mitigate much of the less
predictable smaller scale variances consistent with uncertainty.
WPC product continuity is well maintained in this manner and
latest guidance from the 00 UTC model cycle generally remains
consistent.

...Weather/Hazards Highlights...

Amplified upper troughing will settle over the East through the
weekend into early next week as anchored by an upper low over
Hudson Bay and as a series of weaker impulses ride over the top
then to the lee of a transitioning upper ridge as it strengthens
over the South and expands westward into the Southwest. With this
ridge in place, hot late summer temperatures will linger across
the south-central U.S. and the Southwest through this weekend.

High dewpoints and humidity especially near the western Gulf Coast
will lead to dangerous heat indices as high as 115 degrees. Above
normal temperatures by about 10-15 degrees should persist into the
weekend broadly across the south-central U.S. and into the
Southwest. Many daily record high minimum and maximum temperatures
are likely to be set, with perhaps even a few monthly records, in
what has proven to be a sweltering summer. Upper-level energy
trending southward should help to reduce the strength of the ridge
and begin to bring temperatures to still hot but more reasonable
levels next week.

Meanwhile in this pattern, the northern Mid-Atlantic and the
Northeast offer a main area for precipitation to focus, given
higher precipitable water values than average and instability
pooling ahead of the upper trough and wavy surface frontal system.
While rain amounts should be mainly moderate, the ingredients will
be in place for localized heavier rain totals especially because
storms may be slow-moving and relatively parallel to the front,
allowing for potential training of storms. The WPC Day 4/5
Excessive Rainfall Outlooks (EROs) denote Marginal risk areas for
this weekend from the northern Mid-Atlantic into the Northeast as
convection looks to have a relatively better focus near/ahead of
the front and favorable right entrance region upper jet support.
The Marginal Risks encompass lower FFGs mainly from Pennsylvania
into New York and includes favored terrain of the Poconos and
Catskills to the Adirondacks. Rain chances should gradually
decrease into next week along the Eastern Seaboard as the fronts
push east off the coast. For the 19Z update, the Day 4 Marginal
Risk area is planned to be extended to the southwest to basically
cover the spine of the Appalachians from western NC to Vermont,
where a better deterministic model signal exists in the 12Z
guidance for patchy areas of heavy QPF maxima. For Day 5, the
existing Marginal Risk is planned to cover most of New England
except for the coastal areas.

Upstream, a series of shortwaves look to work from the Pacific
through the West/Northwest and inland across the Intermountain
West, albeit in a pattern with limited precipitation this weekend
into early next week. Convection may start to become more
widespread and better organized in the northern Rockies/Plains by
Saturday before working down more earnestly through the Plains
Sunday, where some heavy rain totals are expected locally. A
guidance signal is growing for this convective potential over the
central Plains for the WPC Day 5/Sunday ERO where a "Marginal"
risk area is shown. Forecast uncertainty is greater, but it seems
the main rainfall focus in this pattern may shift more to the
southern Plains and possibly the Upper Midwest early next week
with system emergence and flow translation.

Schichtel/Hamrick


Additional 3-7 Day Hazard information can be found on the WPC
medium range hazards outlook chart at:
https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/threats/threats.php
Hazards:
- Heavy rain across portions of the Central Plains and the
Southern Plains, Sun, Sep 10.
- Heavy rain across portions of the Mid-Atlantic, the Northeast,
and the Central Appalachians, Sat,
Sep 9.
- Flooding occurring or imminent across portions of the Southeast
and the Mid-Atlantic.
- Flooding likely across portions of the Southeast.
- Hazardous heat across portions of the Southern Rockies, the
Southern Plains, the Lower
Mississippi Valley, California, and the Southwest, Sat-Sun, Sep
9-Sep 10.

WPC medium range 500mb heights, surface systems, weather grids,
quantitative precipitation forecast, excessive rainfall outlook,
winter weather outlook probabilities, heat indices and Key
Messages are at:


https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/hpcdiscussions.php?disc=pmdepd

The bold part is the exact same pattern we had in July and early August that funneled non-stop moisture up the entire East Coast leading to intermittent bursts of historic flooding in Vermont, New York State, Nova Scotia, etc. Now, if that pattern captures Lee, well, a nightmare scenario could unfold.


Who will get the worst of Lee if that’s the scenario?


It is impossible to tell at this point. We need the models to stop changing from run to run.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#556 Postby Meteorcane » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:37 pm

For laughs here is the ~10 day GFS Atlantic basin forecast. Two gigantic transitioning tropical systems over the North Atlantic, and one comparatively tiny but organizing tropical system in the MDR

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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#557 Postby IcyTundra » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:42 pm

Meteorcane wrote:For laughs here is the ~10 day GFS Atlantic basin forecast. Two gigantic transitioning tropical systems over the North Atlantic, and one comparatively tiny but organizing tropical system in the MDR

https://i.imgur.com/Q4xb5Ix.png


The crazy thing is that I wouldn't be shocked if something like this happened. This season might make a push to be hyperactive.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#558 Postby blp » Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:11 am

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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#559 Postby Ianswfl » Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:18 am

west shift by the 00z GFS ensembles.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Models

#560 Postby Ianswfl » Thu Sep 07, 2023 1:43 am

HAFS-B further south 00z and almost moving due west at the end of the run. hafs A also a bit more south.
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