ATL: LEE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1421 Postby WilmingtonSandbar » Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:00 pm

Teban54 wrote:Over the course of this IR loop, you can see the CDO becoming more symmetrical and expanding to the SW, where it had been restricted since the shear hit Lee yesterday. Not sure if it's shear letting up or simply changing direction, but either way, I won't be surprised if it drops sooner than NHC noted in the advisory (24 hours).
https://i.postimg.cc/PqXhhF7Q/goes16-ir-13-L-202309082155.gif


Last frame looked like an eye trying to pop out.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1422 Postby Tekken_Guy » Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:08 pm

Teban54 wrote:Over the course of this IR loop, you can see the CDO becoming more symmetrical and expanding to the SW, where it had been restricted since the shear hit Lee yesterday. Not sure if it's shear letting up or simply changing direction, but either way, I won't be surprised if it drops sooner than NHC noted in the advisory (24 hours).
https://i.postimg.cc/PqXhhF7Q/goes16-ir-13-L-202309082155.gif


The sooner the shear goes away the more likely Lee will get a second chance at Category 5.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1423 Postby Teban54 » Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:10 pm

150 kt and 144 kt SFMR with 115 kt FL winds :lol:

Edit: On a more serious note, the plane turned back and sampled the N eyewall(?) again, this time finding 120 kt and 119 kt FL winds where it was 115 kt just now. SFMR seems much more believable this time at 96 kt. I'm tempted to say Lee is finally intensifying again, but better wait for a more definitive trend.

Edit 2: My bad, got the data mixed up. 120 kt and 119 kt were on the outbound flight away from the eye, the inbound FL measurements were 114, 115 and 115.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1424 Postby zzzh » Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:53 pm

Shear is decreasing.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1425 Postby IsabelaWeather » Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:11 pm

WilmingtonSandbar wrote:
Teban54 wrote:Over the course of this IR loop, you can see the CDO becoming more symmetrical and expanding to the SW, where it had been restricted since the shear hit Lee yesterday. Not sure if it's shear letting up or simply changing direction, but either way, I won't be surprised if it drops sooner than NHC noted in the advisory (24 hours).
https://i.postimg.cc/PqXhhF7Q/goes16-ir-13-L-202309082155.gif


Last frame looked like an eye trying to pop out.


I have no idea what you are looking at, there was never even a hint of an eye as far as I could tell. Again, people see what they want to see.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1426 Postby zhukm29 » Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:59 pm

Very intense lightning in the core.

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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1427 Postby REDHurricane » Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:00 am

The worst of the shear appears to be lifting slightly to the north of Lee's center in the past few hours, as can be seen in the wind shear product and improved structure of the west/northwest section of the storm. We will see to what degree Lee will again be free on its mean deep sea spree, no guarantees as he will need the atmosphere to fully agree.

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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1428 Postby Hurricaneman » Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:08 am

zhukm29 wrote:Very intense lightning in the core.

https://i.ibb.co/dmzryY6/89139890.gif


Yep, this may be intensifying again and I wouldn’t be surprised if the eye clears out by first light in the morning
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1429 Postby Hurricaneman » Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:37 am

I may be getting tired but it seems to have taken a slight south wobble
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1430 Postby GeneralChow » Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:56 am

Hurricaneman wrote:I may be getting tired but it seems to have taken a slight south wobble


Yeah. It's essentially moved west on the last few frames. According to steering maps, there's a bit more of a WSW flow at various levels of the atmosphere. I just peaked at the latest image, and there's definitely a noticeable Southern wobble.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1431 Postby ElectricStorm » Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:56 am

Definitely looks better than earlier but I think it will take some time to rebuild the core. Shear does seem to be decreasing though so if that trend continues we should start to see another intensification trend in the next 12-18 hours, but it wouldn't take much for that shear to come back south and start hurting it again
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1432 Postby Teban54 » Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:01 am

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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1433 Postby Craters » Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:49 am

GeneralChow wrote:
Hurricaneman wrote:I may be getting tired but it seems to have taken a slight south wobble


Yeah. It's essentially moved west on the last few frames. According to steering maps, there's a bit more of a WSW flow at various levels of the atmosphere. I just peaked at the latest image, and there's definitely a noticeable Southern wobble.


"Southern Wobble" would be a great name for a bourbon. GCANE, take note.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1434 Postby IsabelaWeather » Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:57 am

zhukm29 wrote:Very intense lightning in the core.

https://i.ibb.co/dmzryY6/89139890.gif



This looks like it has rebuilt its eyewall. Could be interesting if true and the W or slightly S of W movement continues for a decent period of time. I am hoping it moves a little closer to PR than expected. We really need some rain.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1435 Postby kevin » Sat Sep 09, 2023 2:23 am

I think Lee can peak again. But either way we should be really happy with the perfectly timed recon. Had it only been a few hours later we wouldn't have been able to catch Lee's (first) cat 5 peak and we would've had another Eta or Sam situation. So hats off to the NHC and the brave people in those planes.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1436 Postby eastcoastFL » Sat Sep 09, 2023 2:58 am

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Looks a bit south of forecast points. Not a great time for that as it approaches the islands.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1437 Postby GCANE » Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:35 am

Very dramatic and rapid increase in outflow.
Plainly seen even on IR
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1438 Postby Teban54 » Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:37 am

Lee is intensifying again. The eye is back, and it's wasting no time pumping out -90C convective bursts. Looks like there could still be some N or NE shear (don't quote me on that) as that side of the CDO is a bit thin, but it's well ahead of schedule as the NHC didn't expect shear to abate or for Lee to reintensify for another 24 hours.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1439 Postby GCANE » Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:50 am

Lee has moved farther away from the offset anticyclone, thus reducing shear
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#1440 Postby GCANE » Sat Sep 09, 2023 4:19 am

Two factors that are contributing to the reintesification are:
1) Lee is moving thru a positive CAPE gradient
2) Moving into the Anti-Cyclonic Wave Break created by the trough currently over the east coast of FL

Looks like Lee will be under the ARWB and in a favorable CAPE environment for the next 4 days.
OHC will be favorable as well.
Now Lee has a better aerial energy feed than before.
Likely will get back to strong Cat 4.
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