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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#881 Postby Ntxw » Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:57 am

Itryatgolf wrote:
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Ntxw wrote:The ENS are now following up the Alaskan ridging with some cold air moving southward after a warmup.


GFS is on the cold Halloween train. CMC is shifting towards some western troughing. Euro is more transient but still a cold snap for the period. Definitely looking like your Halloween chill of yesteryear El Ninos.

As far as Norma, cloud cover might keep some temps from shooting to record highs this weekend. For those of us burned by qpf always shifting to our east, perhaps being on the east side is not so bad :lol:.


A guy at American Weather is saying a strong -WPO/EPO combo should send some intense cold down aka cross polar flow, albeit early season so definitely modified. He seems intrigued as of now :grrr:


The rex block over the Bering into AK and Aleutian trough beneath, if verified, would continue to chip away at the NW-Pac warmth undercutting the PDO.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#882 Postby bubba hotep » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:27 pm

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#883 Postby bubba hotep » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:04 pm

12z Euro shifts eastward as well. A blend of the GFS and Euro would hit a lot of areas with much needed rainfall.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#884 Postby tajmahal » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:44 pm

This explains why the PDO index is not a daily index.

The Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), first defined by Mantua et al. (1997), is the dominant year-round pattern of monthly sea surface temperature (SST) anomalies in the North Pacific obtained via Empirical Orthogonal Function (EOF) analysis. The SST anomalies (denoted SST*) are defined as departures from the climatological annual cycle from which the global mean SST anomaly has been subtracted (as a way of removing any long-term trends that might be associated with externally-forced climate change.... The PDO accounts for 27% of the SST* variance in the HadISST ... data set during the period 1870–2014. The spatial pattern is computed by linearly regressing SST anomalies at each location over the global oceans upon the associated normalized Principal Component (PC) time series. ... The results are robust across different data sets, with small variations prior to 1920 when the data coverage is reduced. The minimum length of record needed to define the PDO is estimated to be about 50 years.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#885 Postby Ntxw » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:52 pm

bubba hotep wrote:12z Euro shifts eastward as well. A blend of the GFS and Euro would hit a lot of areas with much needed rainfall.


Will take the trend!

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#886 Postby Ntxw » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:21 pm

Always a good sign (if you like colder weather) in the cooler seasons with modeled surface high pressures down the plains.

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#887 Postby Brent » Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:23 pm

Seeing more and more mets talking about a cold Halloween on social media even one in DFW

TV here had a high of 48 just now
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#888 Postby tajmahal » Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:48 pm

Brent wrote:Seeing more and more mets talking about a cold Halloween on social media even one in DFW

TV here had a high of 48 just now


Ensemble mean high and low temperature forecasts for Tulsa on Halloween:
56–41...ECMWF
54–38...GFS
57–42...GEM

For Dallas:
62–48...ECMWF
59–49...GFS
61–49...GEM

For Austin Camp Mabry:
64–51...ECMWF
63–53...GFS
63–50...GEM

For Houston:
70–56...ECMWF
72–61...GFS
70–58...GEM

For Amarillo:
59–37...ECMWF
55–36...GFS
57–40...GEM

For Verkhoyansk, Siberia, Russia (GFS)
–10...High
–22...Low
9.6 inches...Snow depth

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#889 Postby rwfromkansas » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:45 am

Halloween should have a slight chill.

I remember trick-or-treating in the snow in Kansas. It appears that was 1991. Got 3-4 inches of snow in my hometown with this crazy event.

https://www.weather.gov/arx/halloween1991
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#890 Postby Gotwood » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:46 am

CMC coming in with first freeze for a lot of north/central Texas end of the month.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#891 Postby Itryatgolf » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:50 am

With the WPO/EPO tanking, we should get pretty cold around here for Halloween standards. The models imo haven't caught on quite yet still. Should be first frost freeze for many.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#892 Postby Itryatgolf » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:52 am

rwfromkansas wrote:Halloween should have a slight chill.

I remember trick-or-treating in the snow in Kansas. It appears that was 1991. Got 3-4 inches of snow in my hometown with this crazy event.

https://www.weather.gov/arx/halloween1991

Halloween 1993 in the midsouth had heavy snow but nothing stuck but it was a cold winter that year
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#893 Postby Gotwood » Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:00 am

Itryatgolf wrote:With the WPO/EPO tanking, we should get pretty cold around here for Halloween standards. The models imo haven't caught on quite yet still. Should be first frost freeze for many.

Can’t wait I’m ready to skip the fall and go straight to winter lol.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#894 Postby Itryatgolf » Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am

Gotwood wrote:
Itryatgolf wrote:With the WPO/EPO tanking, we should get pretty cold around here for Halloween standards. The models imo haven't caught on quite yet still. Should be first frost freeze for many.

Can’t wait I’m ready to skip the fall and go straight to winter lol.

We can go from summer straight to winter some years. I'm a firm believer in opportunities during winter because we typically don't have many of them as it is
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#895 Postby Brent » Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:10 pm

Wow we definitely go straight to winter on the GFS here :double: that would be something after the last few days
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#896 Postby weatherdude1108 » Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:48 pm

Gotwood wrote:CMC coming in with first freeze for a lot of north/central Texas end of the month.


Crazy Canadian. :lol:
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#897 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:02 pm

weatherdude1108 wrote:
Gotwood wrote:CMC coming in with first freeze for a lot of north/central Texas end of the month.


Crazy Canadian. :lol:


Also trying to include an Ice Storm along and north of I-44 in Oklahoma
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#898 Postby Ntxw » Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:17 pm

-EPO.

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#899 Postby Ntxw » Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:19 pm

Here is the composite some of the memorable cold Halloweens members here have mentioned. Definitely we are heading into a cold period for the dates.

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#900 Postby Itryatgolf » Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:48 pm

Ntxw wrote:Here is the composite some of the memorable cold Halloweens members here have mentioned. Definitely we are heading into a cold period for the dates.

https://i.imgur.com/vrxQSQW.png

I hope we can keep the EPO/WPO negative this winter, at least at times to give us a few opportunities.
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