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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1301 Postby CaptinCrunch » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:41 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
CaptinCrunch wrote:Here is a old indicater of the coming Winter (Woolly Bear Caterpillars) The wider the rusty brown sections (or the more brown segments there are), the milder the coming winter will be. The more black there is, the more severe the winter.

I can't tell you how many of these I have over the past 2 weeks, probably close to a 100 by now which is way more than normal. I see these lage black fuzzy caterpillars crossing the roads, in the yard and on the trees,
most have been almost solid black thick with fuzz and very active. So will this be a colder than normal Winter? we shall see my friends.

I hate the be the buzzkill here, but this doesn’t quite hold up. The caterpillar’s coat is a reflection of the previous growing season, not the season to come. It could also potentially be a different variety of the caterpillar that is just naturally black colored. I know, I must be real fun at parties :lol:

More info here:
https://www.weather.gov/arx/woollybear#:~:text=The%20longer%20the%20woolly%20bear's,will%20be%20coldest%20or%20hardest.



On side note Oak trees with heavy acorn drops are supposed to be a sign of a cold winter to come.

Love this time of year :lol:
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1302 Postby bubba hotep » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:47 pm

Thanksgiving Day and Friday look to have the most risk for extreme cold in Texas, with some ensemble members showing sub-freezing highs as a potential in DFW. As Ntxw has pointed out, there is broad support across the ensembles for an Alaskan Ridge. The differences come about in how that cold is dislodged into the Lower 48 and how cold it is. There are some very cold clusters for Texas, but also some clusters that keep Texas relatively mild with a quick rebound as the cold is shunted more eastward.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1303 Postby Gotwood » Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:05 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Thanksgiving Day and Friday look to have the most risk for extreme cold in Texas, with some ensemble members showing sub-freezing highs as a potential in DFW. As Ntxw has pointed out, there is broad support across the ensembles for an Alaskan Ridge. The differences come about in how that cold is dislodged into the Lower 48 and how cold it is. There are some very cold clusters for Texas, but also some clusters that keep Texas relatively mild with a quick rebound as the cold is shunted more eastward.

CMC looking pretty cold but no moisture to work with.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1304 Postby Brent » Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:48 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Thanksgiving Day and Friday look to have the most risk for extreme cold in Texas, with some ensemble members showing sub-freezing highs as a potential in DFW. As Ntxw has pointed out, there is broad support across the ensembles for an Alaskan Ridge. The differences come about in how that cold is dislodged into the Lower 48 and how cold it is. There are some very cold clusters for Texas, but also some clusters that keep Texas relatively mild with a quick rebound as the cold is shunted more eastward.


Yeah I noticed there was more of a +PNA showing up earlier on the op Euro which would favor east of us but nobody east of here is buying it from what I read earlier :lol:
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1305 Postby tajmahal » Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:57 pm

Some ensemble mean temperature forecasts for Thanksgiving Day:

.GEFS......EPS......GEPS
58–38...51–32...48–31...Amarillo
62–49...62–44...56–40...Austin Camp Mabry
72–63...71–54...69–56...Brownsville
33–22...33–22...30–19...Casper
58–46...58–42...52–39...Dallas
42–23...42–22...42–22...Denver
64–46...59–37...51–28...El Paso
67–56...64–47...60–44...Houston
53–40...50–36...48–32...Tulsa
B18–B21...B31–B36...B29–B32...Verkhoyansk, Siberia, Russia
53–37...49–33...45–31...Woodward
19–11...11–05...03–01...Yellowknife, Yukon, Canada
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1306 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:15 am

CaptinCrunch wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:
CaptinCrunch wrote:Here is a old indicater of the coming Winter (Woolly Bear Caterpillars) The wider the rusty brown sections (or the more brown segments there are), the milder the coming winter will be. The more black there is, the more severe the winter.

I can't tell you how many of these I have over the past 2 weeks, probably close to a 100 by now which is way more than normal. I see these lage black fuzzy caterpillars crossing the roads, in the yard and on the trees,
most have been almost solid black thick with fuzz and very active. So will this be a colder than normal Winter? we shall see my friends.

I hate the be the buzzkill here, but this doesn’t quite hold up. The caterpillar’s coat is a reflection of the previous growing season, not the season to come. It could also potentially be a different variety of the caterpillar that is just naturally black colored. I know, I must be real fun at parties :lol:

More info here:
https://www.weather.gov/arx/woollybear#:~:text=The%20longer%20the%20woolly%20bear's,will%20be%20coldest%20or%20hardest.



On side note Oak trees with heavy acorn drops are supposed to be a sign of a cold winter to come.

Love this time of year :lol:

Mine are loaded this year. Also, thicker pine tree foliage, early arrival of crickets, bushy squirrel tails among numerous others.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1307 Postby weatherdude1108 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:07 am

Yukon Cornelius wrote:
CaptinCrunch wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:I hate the be the buzzkill here, but this doesn’t quite hold up. The caterpillar’s coat is a reflection of the previous growing season, not the season to come. It could also potentially be a different variety of the caterpillar that is just naturally black colored. I know, I must be real fun at parties :lol:

More info here:
https://www.weather.gov/arx/woollybear#:~:text=The%20longer%20the%20woolly%20bear's,will%20be%20coldest%20or%20hardest.



On side note Oak trees with heavy acorn drops are supposed to be a sign of a cold winter to come.

Love this time of year :lol:

Mine are loaded this year. Also, thicker pine tree foliage, early arrival of crickets, bushy squirrel tails among numerous others.


I haven't had many acorn drops this year. Last year on the other hand, it was literally "hailing" acorns in my backyard non-stop for a week or so straight! They were coming from my neighbor's Post Oak/Blackjack Oak(?) trees, not the Live Oaks. I had never seen acorns drop from those trees since we moved there in 2006. After that, we had 14-degree temps in December right before Christmas and the February ice storm.

So who knows what portends this year(?). Last Spring, little saplings sprouted up all over the yard in the beds, especially where they accumulated. Too many for the squirrels to eat I guess.lol Those saplings are tough to uproot!

There was a news report I saw not too long ago about oak trees, and how they sometimes overproduce acorns as a survivial mechanism, so the animals literally can't eat them all, which leaves some acorns not eaten a greater chance to survive.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1308 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:59 am

12z GFS, of note, the EPS has a few members showing something similar during this time

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1309 Postby Stratton23 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:04 pm

Now that would be awesome! Too bad its long range though
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1310 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:26 pm

bubba hotep wrote:12z GFS, of note, the EPS has a few members showing something similar during this time

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2023111412/gfs_mslp_pcpn_frzn_scus_51.png


Entire run for this (not hotlinked)

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https://s5.gifyu.com/images/SRLNL.gif
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1311 Postby JayDT » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:47 pm

bubba hotep wrote:12z GFS, of note, the EPS has a few members showing something similar during this time

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2023111412/gfs_mslp_pcpn_frzn_scus_51.png


It would be so great if that verified :cold: I’m ready for some good winter weather
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1312 Postby Ntxw » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:11 pm

Anchorage is approaching snowiest November on record for them.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1313 Postby Brent » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:36 pm

Ntxw wrote:Anchorage is approaching snowiest November on record for them.


Yeah I was looking at the other years for that and most of them sucked here of course :spam:

I literally have no clue what to expect here this winter... There are some of the best and worst years for snow on the analogs...
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1314 Postby Stratton23 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:56 pm

GFS has trended colder, looks like it brings in a 2nd system that helps to really drag down the arctic air from canada into texas
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1315 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:31 am

Ensembles have moderated on the potential cold around Thanksgiving and have started to dry out as well. Hopefully, this isn't a winter long trend. I really thought we would start seeing some bowling balls coming out of the SW and really soaking the state by this point.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1316 Postby WacoWx » Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:38 am

If I remember correctly, last year was unseasonably warm and dry for Alaska for the entire winter. Meanwhile the Sierra Nevada was just getting absolutely dumped on with record breaking snow. I hope that this was a coincidence, but I am pretty negative with the moisture outlook/pattern at the moment.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1317 Postby starsfan65 » Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:55 am

bubba hotep wrote:Ensembles have moderated on the potential cold around Thanksgiving and have started to dry out as well. Hopefully, this isn't a winter long trend. I really thought we would start seeing some bowling balls coming out of the SW and really soaking the state by this point.
What do you mean?
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1318 Postby Cpv17 » Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:06 am

starsfan65 wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:Ensembles have moderated on the potential cold around Thanksgiving and have started to dry out as well. Hopefully, this isn't a winter long trend. I really thought we would start seeing some bowling balls coming out of the SW and really soaking the state by this point.
What do you mean?


What this basically means is that more than likely, no exciting weather is coming anytime soon.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1319 Postby starsfan65 » Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:09 am

Cpv17 wrote:
starsfan65 wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:Ensembles have moderated on the potential cold around Thanksgiving and have started to dry out as well. Hopefully, this isn't a winter long trend. I really thought we would start seeing some bowling balls coming out of the SW and really soaking the state by this point.
What do you mean?


What this basically means is that more than likely, no exciting weather is coming anytime soon.
What about temps?
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1320 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:26 am

Fall cancel
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