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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#61 Postby Charleswachal » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:30 pm

I wonder why they're not initiating advisories on potential tropical cyclone number 3? If it's already looking, likely that it will form later today and we are already within the 36-hour window of warnings, why are we waiting till later?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#62 Postby Sciencerocks » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:33 pm

Charleswachal wrote:I wonder why they're not initiating advisories on potential tropical cyclone number 3? If it's already looking, likely that it will form later today and we are already within the 36-hour window of warnings, why are we waiting till later?



Same reason they didn't for 92L. Probably more so with Beryl being a serious threat to the leewards.

There's is certainly a tropical cyclone without doubt.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#63 Postby Charleswachal » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:35 pm

This season sure feels like 2005 where every single blob forms.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#64 Postby Sciencerocks » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:37 pm

Charleswachal wrote:This season sure feels like 2005 where every single blob forms.



2005 had Bret and Gert in the boc. Doubt they'd be upgraded this year and they're very similar to 92L and 94L in organization and strength.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#65 Postby ElectricStorm » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:38 pm

Looks like it's just about there I think we'll see Chris at the next advisory cycle
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#66 Postby HurricaneBrain » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:40 pm

This should be Chris by 5PM. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a special update any moment until then.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#67 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:10 pm

I agree, this is probably a TC given the wind data, with a center at 19.8N 95.8W.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#68 Postby kevin » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:10 pm

40 kt FL, 50 kt SFMR and a closed center, we should have Chris at the next update.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#69 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:11 pm

kevin wrote:40 kt FL, 50 kt SFMR and a closed center, we should have Chris at the next update.


The SFMR is probably a bit high, but 40 kt for sustained winds seems reasonable. Probably Chris at 4 pm CT.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#70 Postby Teban54 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:18 pm

Convection still seemed a bit popcorn-y to me, at least back when recon made the first pass, if not now. Perhaps that explains the lack of an upgrade?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#71 Postby SconnieCane » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:27 pm

Suddenly looking more likely this one steals Chris from 96L.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#72 Postby wxman57 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:33 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:I agree, this is probably a TC given the wind data, with a center at 19.8N 95.8W.


That's only the first center recon found. Looks like it found two others. Broad center with multiple vortices.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#73 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:42 pm

03L at 5 it appears...
AL, 94, 2024063018, , BEST, 0, 196N, 944W, 30, 1007, TD

https://ftp.nhc.noaa.gov/atcf/btk/bal942024.dat
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#74 Postby Beef Stew » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:48 pm

DorkyMcDorkface wrote:03L at 5 it appears...
AL, 94, 2024063018, , BEST, 0, 196N, 944W, 30, 1007, TD

https://ftp.nhc.noaa.gov/atcf/btk/bal942024.dat


A TD designation here surprises me. Classification in this case has seemed to be dependent on whether or not there's enough organization around the center- and if there is (and it certainly appears to me there is), the winds should support a TS designation rather than a TD.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#75 Postby ChrisH-UK » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:57 pm

94L in the Bay of Campeche. Looks to have good circulation and convection before land fall.

Source - https://col.st/AKzI4

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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#76 Postby Hammy » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:09 pm

Honestly surprised they're upgrading this, given 93L wasn't and had a better case for well defined center.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#77 Postby tropicwatch » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:37 pm

Hammy wrote:Honestly surprised they're upgrading this, given 93L wasn't and had a better case for well defined center.


HH has sent out a vortex message:

A. Time of Center Fix: 30th day of the month at 18:14:00Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 19.59N 95.39W
B. Center Fix Location: 195 statute miles (313 km) to the NW (305°) from Villahermosa, Tabasco, Mexico.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: Not Available
D. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 1007mb (29.74 inHg) - Extrapolated
E. Dropsonde Surface Wind at Center (Undecoded): NA
F. Eye Character: Not Available
G. Eye Shape: Not Available
H. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Inbound: 47kts (54.1mph)
I. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Inbound: 1 nautical miles to the W (274°) of center fix at 18:13:30Z
J. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 290° at 25kts (From the WNW at 28.8mph)
K. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 26 nautical miles (30 statute miles) to the WNW/NW (304°) of center fix at 18:05:00Z
L. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Outbound: 32kts (36.8mph)
M. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Outbound: 7 nautical miles to the E (95°) of center fix at 18:16:00Z
N. Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: From 180° at 25kts (From the S at 28.8mph)
O. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: 42 nautical miles (48 statute miles) to the ESE/SE (124°) of center fix at 18:31:00Z
P. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 21°C (70°F) at a pressure alt. of 372m (1,220ft)
Q. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 21°C (70°F) at a pressure alt. of 336m (1,102ft)
R. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 21°C (70°F)
R. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
S. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Wind and Pressure
S. Fix Level: 1,500 feet
T. Navigational Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles
T. Meteorological Accuracy: 2 nautical miles

Remarks Section:

Maximum Flight Level Wind: 25kts (~ 28.8mph) which was observed 26 nautical miles (30 statute miles) to the WNW/NW (304°) from the flight level center at 18:05:00Z
Sea Level Pressure Extrapolation From: Below 1500 feet
Maximum Flight Level Temp: 24°C (75°F) which was observed 20 nautical miles (23 statute miles) to the NW (309°) from the flight level center
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#78 Postby zzzh » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:52 pm

AL, 03, 2024063018, , BEST, 0, 196N, 944W, 30, 1007, TD, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1011, 200, 80, 40, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, THREE, S, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 007, TRANSITIONED, alA42024 to al032024,
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#79 Postby Astromanía » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:10 pm

Refreshing rain from this here :)
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Discussion

#80 Postby blp » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:18 pm

Similarities to 2005 continue. Off by one letter

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