same sex marriage passed in Mass...what's next?

[GalvestonDuck]

I'll reiterate. I don't want just a legal union. I want a marriage before the eyes of God as well as my friends and family. Like Johnathan said, a legal union is just a piece of paper. Sure, we get the benefits and so forth. But what about the commitment? I'll want white lace and promises, not just a couple of signatures on a certificate.

Maybe when I'm 107.

[JCT777]

Shawn - I hope it can happen before you are 107.

[GalvestonDuck]

Thanks, John.

[Rainband]

I'll reiterate. I don't want just a legal union. I want a marriage before the eyes of God as well as my friends and family. Like Johnathan said, a legal union is just a piece of paper. Sure, we get the benefits and so forth. But what about the commitment? I'll want white lace and promises, not just a couple of signatures on a certificate.

Maybe when I'm 107.

I am going to contact my local reps and go from there. Times change and it's time for a change!!

[mf_dolphin]

Duck, I understand what you want but you may have to settle on what you own heart feels and accept the legal option if and when that becomes available to you. I can't honestly support same sex marriages because I understand the Bible differently from you. I guess that's between you and God. He's a lot smarter than any of us

[azsnowman]

DANG Marshall.........like you said, we "ARE" twins, with ONE mind "LOL!" EVERY SINGLE thing you've said, I echo 200000000%


Dennis

[mf_dolphin]

How come I had to be the runt of the litter????

[Stephanie]

Duck, I understand what you want but you may have to settle on what you own heart feels and accept the legal option if and when that becomes available to you. I can't honestly support same sex marriages because I understand the Bible differently from you. I guess that's between you and God. He's a lot smarter than any of us

I agree 100% myself.

[blustery]

i have never posted before.but i feel i have to respond to the idea of gay's being allowed to marry..not being a critic of anyone on this board..but my own opinion is it's wrong..a marrage should only be between a man and a woman period.you cannot make exempions to the rules..where do we draw the line..if you allow gays to be married.what about brother and sister or mother and son or father and daughter..what's to prevent any of that happening??? you people must have heard the story of sodom and gomorrah..this society day by day is going downhill..

i got nothing personally against individual gay people.i have had a few gay friends of the opposite sex...everyone should have rights..but not to the extent they infringe there lifestyle on society at large..


but in this society where day by day radical judges are not interpetring the laws.but making them up it will happen where gay's will be allowed to be married..i just wonder where this country is going to be like in the near future.another sodom and gomorrah????

[GalvestonDuck]

Now how many people do you really know who want to marry their own family members? I don't think there's any sort of movement for that, nor will there be.

Sodom and Gomorrah? The people in the town were inhospitable and they wanted to RAPE the angels. That's pretty sick if you ask me. No one condones rape -- heterosexual or homosexual. If you want to try to tell me one is worse than the other than society really does have a problem. Just the same as how someone who kills someone should suffer the same penalty as someone who kills someone out of hate. Hate crimes? It shouldn't matter. Murder is murder and rape is rape.

We're not talking about legalizing rape of any kind. We're talking about consensual adults in a loving, committed relationship who want to share the rest of their lives together.

Furthermore, Jesus talks about the inhospitality of Sodom and Gomorrah in the New Testament.

Matthew 10: 14-15:
If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

Luke 10: 7-16:
Stay in that house, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.
"When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is set before you. Heal the sick who are there and tell them, 'The kingdom of God is near you.' But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, 'Even the dust of your town that sticks to our feet we wipe off against you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God is near.' I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.
"Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. But it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. "He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

And God describes it further in Ezekeiel 16:48-50:
As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord , your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done.
" 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

[opera ghost]

The difficulties with in-family marriages are the genetics of the issue- children of those unions are much much more likely to have serious medical problems (double recessives pop up). That was known long before we knew anythign about genetics- inbreeding causes medical problems and children that don't live as long. Creating children that you know will likely be a drain on society even before conception is reprehensible. That's one reason why my husband and I may never have children. Manic depression/depression/other very serious medical problems run rampant in his family- an entire host of other genetic problems run in my family. Sure we're both healthy as horses- but you should weigh the quality of life of the child before you hop into parenthood. We're waiting for more advanced genetic testing that should be available in the next 5-10 years.

It's unlikely for a gay couple to ~create~ any children (although raising adopted kids is possible in some states) so the reasoning behind the taboo of incest doens't even enter into the equation. It's strictly a societal taboo.

There are only a few serious sex taboos in our society- Sex with children- Sex with the same sex- Sex with animals- Sex with immediate family members- and Non consentual sex. Two of those are the same as another. Children and animals aren't considered to have the capacity to consent- in any form in our society. Two of those are medically taboo- Sex with children is medically unsafe for the child- a childs body isn't capable of dealing with pregnancies- and it mentally screws them up as well because it cannot be consentual. Familial sex (incest) is genetically unsafe.

The only taboo that has no medical or choice basis is same sex. They're adults- unrelated (and unlikely to ever have children) and consentual. The taboo springs from the inability to produce children. I'd contend that fewer children isn't so terrible. Humans are already reproducing beyong replacement rates- the minority of same sex couples and couples like my husband and I who are unliley to ever have children won't affect the replacement rates or change the natural proliferation of humans over every viable piece of land on this planet eventully. So I'm not big on the whole "no children" argument. If no children was a good reason- that would make my marriage quite probably invalid- sorry I'm not willing to go with that

[JCT777]

OG - another excellent post. My wife and I are also unlikely to have children. This is partially by choice and partially because of my wife's health.

But I am straying off the topic.

[GalvestonDuck]

Honestly, I'm ready to go off the topic. Great post, however, OG!

Isn't there something out there we haven't debated? Why did the pornography, abortion, and capital punishment topics die so quickly? Does "well-regulated militia" mean gun control? Are cults that engage in ritual abuse protected by the first amendment? Is homeschooling beneficial?

Aren't you guys tired of re-hashing this topic yet?

Thanks, however, for the support to those who have agreed with me on the issue and thanks for the friendly, civil debate to those who disagreed.

Keep your faith strong!