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Re: ATL: FOUR - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#381 Postby Craters » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:43 pm

Stormcenter wrote:But isn’t that just his opinion?

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tolakram wrote:Sure looks to me like the LLC emerged off the southern coast of Cuba a few hours ago.

In his latest video, Levi's interpretation is that the mid-level center is actually over the water to the south of Cuba, and the low-level clouds showing westerly winds are being drawn into that cluster of thunderstorms. I think he said that the mid-level circulation actually isn't closed off to the south yet, and the LLC is still over the spine of Cuba.

Yep, it is. That's why I said that it was his interpretation.

Having said that, he did, as is typical, show some pretty good info/evidence to bolster his interpretation.
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#382 Postby chaser1 » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:44 pm

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The "forcefield" stated was in jest. Those of us on this board for the last couple decades know that :lol: Besides, there are a couple of Florida EC "forcefields" too :wink

I understand that Chaser and again my bad if I overreacted. WXMAN my bad!! I get frustrated in my area of people who have become so complacent and think a hurricane can never happen in our area. My Aunt and Uncle went through Andrew in 92 down in Cutler Ridge so I want to help others know that its real. Have a great day and thank you for what you all do.


It's all good! I chased Andrew and that was THE WORST! Your point is spot on though - if you're near a GOM or Atlantic coastline, the risk is real. Stay safe!
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#383 Postby NDG » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:45 pm

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Re: ATL: FOUR - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#384 Postby Poonwalker » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:49 pm

I think it’s under that blowup that passed by the Jardeinas de la Reina archipelago. Watching to see if a CDO develops over it tonight. Still trucking just north of due west at a good clip.
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#385 Postby Tailgater33 » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:50 pm

Just a thought but if PTC 4 misses this trough wouldn’t the ridge build over it and ship it due west towards northern Mexico or South Texas. I can’t see it hitting the northern Gulf coast if it isn’t north of 25N by Sunday 1200 utc
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#386 Postby weeniepatrol » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:50 pm

NHC issuing advisories for the Atlantic on TD Four
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#387 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:51 pm

Is now oficial. ...TROPICAL DEPRESSION FORMS OFF THE SOUTH COAST OF CUBA...
...EXPECTED TO BECOME A TROPICAL STORM OVER THE SOUTHEASTERN GULF
OF MEXICO BY LATE SATURDAY...
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#388 Postby Category5Kaiju » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:54 pm

Oh wow that was fast. I honestly kind of expected it to have no identifiable center of circulation and remain as a PTC for some time :lol:
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#389 Postby Poonwalker » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:54 pm

Tailgater33 wrote:Just a thought but if PTC 4 misses this trough wouldn’t the ridge build over it and ship it due west towards northern Mexico or South Texas. I can’t see it hitting the northern Gulf coast if it isn’t north of 25N by Sunday 1200 utc


It would slow and probably stall. There are highs east and west blocking any direction there. Another trough later would eventually pick it up moving it north and then east.
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#390 Postby StPeteMike » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:54 pm

Tailgater33 wrote:Just a thought but if PTC 4 misses this trough wouldn’t the ridge build over it and ship it due west towards northern Mexico or South Texas. I can’t see it hitting the northern Gulf coast if it isn’t north of 25N by Sunday 1200 utc

More of a chance it just stalls and meanders waiting for something to pick it up. I don’t see any scenario where it could get to South Texas.
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#391 Postby weeniepatrol » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:56 pm

Tropical Depression Four Discussion Number 3
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL042024
1100 PM EDT Fri Aug 02 2024

Shortwave infrared satellite imagery, Cuban radar data, and surface
observations from Cuba and the Cayman Islands suggest that the
disturbance has developed a closed circulation, and the center is
located just off the south coast of Cuba. Deep convection is still
a bit fragmented, but there has been a persistent burst near the
estimated center since earlier this afternoon. The wind and
pressure field could still be a little elongated within the
southern semicircle, but overall the system appears to have enough
organization to now be designated as a tropical depression. The
initial intensity remains 25 kt based on earlier observations.

The depression has not begun to turn yet, and the initial motion is
west-northwestward, or 285/15 kt.
A turn toward the northwest and
then north is expected over the weekend due to a break in the
subtropical ridge caused by a trough over the eastern United
States. Since the system has not started to turn yet, this has
caused all of the track guidance to shift west, and the updated NHC
forecast is a bit west of the previous forecast along the eastern
edge of the main cluster of models. It is important to note that
because of the forecast track being parallel to the west coast of
Florida, the location and timing of a potential landfall cannot be
pinned down at this time. One additional significant change to the
forecast is that the models seem to be showing the aforementioned
trough leaving the cyclone behind early next week, which causes a
much slower motion while the system is near the coasts of Georgia
and South Carolina. As a result, the new NHC forecast is notably
slower than the previous forecast, particularly on days 4 and 5.

The westward shift to the track forecast now also keeps the system
over the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico longer, giving the
system additional time to potentially strengthen. In fact, the
SHIPS guidance and all of the regional hurricane models show the
cyclone reaching hurricane strength before reaching land in the Big
Bend region of Florida in 2 to 3 days.
As a result, the new NHC
forecast brings the intensity to 60 kt at 60 hours as the system is
reaching land, but if model trends continue, it's possible that
future forecasts could explicit show the system becoming a
hurricane before it reaches land. The intensity forecast is more
uncertain on days 3 through 5 due depending on if the center moves
back offshore or stays inland over the southeastern United States.


Emphasis mine. @GCANE
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#392 Postby LandoWill » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:59 pm

StPeteMike wrote:
LandoWill wrote:If i lived anywhere in Louisiana to Tallahassee i would be preparing, here in land o lakes, not too worried the more it goes west.

Way too premature to making such statements.

Tampa isn't even in the cone anymore
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#393 Postby StPeteMike » Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:59 pm

I won’t rule out TS designation before Cuba.
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#394 Postby StPeteMike » Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:03 pm

LandoWill wrote:
StPeteMike wrote:
LandoWill wrote:If i lived anywhere in Louisiana to Tallahassee i would be preparing, here in land o lakes, not too worried the more it goes west.

Way too premature to making such statements.

Tampa isn't even in the cone anymore

The cone isn’t the width of the storm, it’s the range of possibility the center of the storm could be located within that time. The 11 pm has all of Pinellas within it, which means Land O Lakes will be on the right quadrant of the storm (If that’s where it ends up).

Pay not attention to the cone. :)
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#395 Postby Category5Kaiju » Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:04 pm

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Wow, there's like hardly any shear in the GoM, particularly where this system is headed
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#396 Postby NDG » Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:07 pm

Not surprising that the latest Best Track position is offshore of FL, it is the same vorticity I have been following since early this morning which took over as the main CoC.

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Re: ATL: FOUR - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#397 Postby weeniepatrol » Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:09 pm

This is becoming extremely uncomfortable. From the last discussion.. six hours ago:

INIT 02/2100Z 21.4N 78.3W 25 KT 30 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE

12H 03/0600Z 22.4N 80.1W 25 KT 30 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE

24H 03/1800Z 24.2N 82.2W 30 KT 35 MPH...TROPICAL CYCLONE


Slow development is possible while the system is over Cuba, and the system is likely to become a tropical depression soon after it moves offshore on Saturday.


Just six hours ago this was forecast to become a depression AFTER emergence into the Gulf, around 18 zulu tomorrow. In other words, this is a whopping ~18 hours ahead of schedule.. AND as the new discussion mentioned with the west shift will have even MORE time over the 86-90 F waters of the Gulf of Mexico than initially forecast. This is very serious.
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#398 Postby Poonwalker » Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:09 pm

StPeteMike wrote:
LandoWill wrote:
StPeteMike wrote:Way too premature to making such statements.

Tampa isn't even in the cone anymore

The cone isn’t the width of the storm, it’s the range of possibility the center of the storm could be located within that time. The 11 pm has all of Pinellas within it, which means Land O Lakes will be on the right quadrant of the storm (If that’s where it ends up).

Pay not attention to the cone. :)


It’s worse for Pinellas since the right quad will have the highest winds now blowing surge right up the bay. Plus all that rain.
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Re: ATL: FOUR - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#399 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:16 pm

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Re: ATL: FOUR - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#400 Postby Poonwalker » Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:19 pm

weeniepatrol wrote:This is becoming extremely uncomfortable. From the last discussion.. six hours ago:

INIT 02/2100Z 21.4N 78.3W 25 KT 30 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE

12H 03/0600Z 22.4N 80.1W 25 KT 30 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE

24H 03/1800Z 24.2N 82.2W 30 KT 35 MPH...TROPICAL CYCLONE


Slow development is possible while the system is over Cuba, and the system is likely to become a tropical depression soon after it moves offshore on Saturday.


Just six hours ago this was forecast to become a depression AFTER emergence into the Gulf, around 18 zulu tomorrow. In other words, this is a whopping ~18 hours ahead of schedule.. AND as the new discussion mentioned with the west shift will have even MORE time over the 86-90 F waters of the Gulf of Mexico than initially forecast. This is very serious.


The biggest factor I was worried about was the location being over water. It simply consolidated south over the most favorable environment. Hopefully passage over Cuba will prevent any RI in the short term. I don’t trust anything organized coming into the gulf with those record water temps ahead and low shear. In the long term there might be some shear and dry air that caps it before landfall as Levi pointed out.
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