Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (Is Invest 90L)

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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#201 Postby EasyTiger » Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:35 am

The ICON essentially nailed Beryl. I'm amazed to see how accurate it is especially in the GOM. One of the reasons I've been watching this area for the past two week, LOL. It's gonna be interesting to see how this all plays out with the frontal passages and the soon to be BOC wave.
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#202 Postby Tailgater33 » Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:35 am

Looking at the radar, seems the mid level vortex is starting to push east of low level circulation that is just southeast of Freeport
https://x.com/nhc_atlantic/status/18316 ... L5xQgzw3DQ north central gulf coastal areas look to be soaked after this is over
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#203 Postby GCANE » Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:39 am

wxman57 wrote:
GCANE wrote:
wxman57 wrote:The difference between now and Harvey is the upper trof digging into the NW Gulf tomorrow, imparting increasing wind shear with dry air spilling offshore. Almost a classic West Gulf Low developing. It starts tropical then goes frontal by late tomorrow.


Trof not digging that deep into the GOM. Anti-cyclone will be on the SE side of the tip of the trof. If the LL Vort gets into that anti-cyclone, I don't need to tell what will happen.


Sure looks like the trof is digging pretty far into the Gulf by tomorrow afternoon/evening. Significantly increased shear and lots of dry air flowing offshore.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2024090506/gfs_uv250_scus_36.png


I am looking a little farther out on earth nullschool.
GFS forecasting center of anticyclone at 26.2N 89.8W, 9/6 15Z
Convection will dictate if a LL vort will phase with that.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2024/09/0 ... 789,26.160
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#204 Postby Ubuntwo » Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:42 am

12z GFS now shows a depression briefly forming tomorrow before the front sweeps in.
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#205 Postby LarryWx » Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:45 am

0Z UKMET for the record had this but TCG isn’t til Sat at 7AM CDT:
NEW TROPICAL CYCLONE FORECAST TO DEVELOP AFTER 60 HOURS
FORECAST POSITION AT T+ 60 : 25.7N 95.0W

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
1200UTC 07.09.2024 60 25.7N 95.0W 1005 33
0000UTC 08.09.2024 72 23.3N 95.4W 1003 38
1200UTC 08.09.2024 84 21.4N 94.9W 1003 40
0000UTC 09.09.2024 96 19.9N 93.0W 1003 42
1200UTC 09.09.2024 108 CEASED TRACKING
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#206 Postby LarryWx » Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:54 am

EasyTiger wrote:The ICON essentially nailed Beryl. I'm amazed to see how accurate it is especially in the GOM. One of the reasons I've been watching this area for the past two week, LOL. It's gonna be interesting to see how this all plays out with the frontal passages and the soon to be BOC wave.


The amazing ICON also has been showing this through the weekend drifting S toward the Bay of Campeche and getting stronger.
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#207 Postby PTrackerLA » Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:55 am

12z GFS has 15" of rain for Lafayette, LA over the next 48 hours :eek:
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#208 Postby MGC » Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:56 am

Has a small window to develop before the shear sets in. Convection needs to wrap for it to really get going. NHC should increase development chances next update.....MGC
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#209 Postby Iceresistance » Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:57 am

PTrackerLA wrote:12z GFS has 15" of rain for Lafayette, LA over the next 48 hours :eek:

I wished it was closer to me, it's REALLY dry!
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#210 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:01 am

I expect the odds to go up a bit at 2pm... GFS quickly kills this system though, before it can become too intense.
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#211 Postby LarryWx » Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:08 am

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:I expect the odds to go up a bit at 2pm... GFS quickly kills this system though, before it can become too intense.


The GFS has been way behind though. It is just now waking up. Thus I wouldn’t put too much weight on it or just about any other non-ICON/UKMET model.
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#212 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:10 am

LarryWx wrote:
Hypercane_Kyle wrote:I expect the odds to go up a bit at 2pm... GFS quickly kills this system though, before it can become too intense.


The GFS has been way behind though. It is just now waking up. Thus I wouldn’t put too much weight on it or just about any other non-ICON/UKMET model.


Seems to me there's some sort of complex genesis event being shown on some of the models between this system and our Caribbean yellow-lemon. The AI-based Euro has been consistent with showing a system forming from it.
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#213 Postby ChrisH-UK » Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:33 am

Here's the latest radar out of Houston starting to see the center of rotation. I think this system might have a chance of the next named storm if it can stay over the gulf.

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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#214 Postby LarryWx » Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:40 am

Regarding NW Gulf:

 Latest UKMET (12Z) now has TCG at hour 6, much sooner than the hour 60 of the 0Z run. It then drifts S through the weekend:

NEW TROPICAL CYCLONE FORECAST TO DEVELOP AFTER 6 HOURS
FORECAST POSITION AT T+ 6 : 27.9N 95.1W

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
0000UTC 06.09.2024 12 28.1N 94.9W 1008 23
1200UTC 06.09.2024 24 28.3N 94.3W 1006 27
0000UTC 07.09.2024 36 27.7N 94.3W 1005 34
1200UTC 07.09.2024 48 25.3N 94.5W 1004 32
0000UTC 08.09.2024 60 24.2N 93.9W 1003 35
1200UTC 08.09.2024 72 CEASED TRACKING
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#215 Postby TallyTracker » Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:43 am

If that circulation is at the surface, I think this is likely a tropical depression. There is deep convection near the center with some basic banding. I’ve seen worse TDs and TSs before.
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#216 Postby Teban54 » Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:52 am

Considering the NHC often has a reputation for being too lenient in naming Gulf systems (Colin 2016 and Claudette 2021 are the two classic examples), I would have expected this to be classified as a TD by now.
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#217 Postby Ubuntwo » Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:58 am

The GFS, CMC, and UKMet are now onboard with a short-lived TD or TS with this system. The ICON is not directly developing this but instead a merger of it and the Caribbean wave.
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#218 Postby LarryWx » Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:59 am

Ubuntwo wrote:The GFS, CMC, and UKMet are now onboard with a short-lived TD or TS with this system. The ICON is not directly developing this but instead a merger of it and the Caribbean wave.


But on many prior runs (including the 6Z), the ICON directly developed this in addition to the later merger.
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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#219 Postby ChrisH-UK » Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:00 pm

The rotation is at the lowest level of the radar currently the convection is to the east of the centre of rotation.

GOES-16 Concus sector GeoColor and Lowest altitude radar. source https://col.st/JWP71

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Re: Area of disturbed weather in NW Gulf of Mexico (10/10)

#220 Postby Stratton23 » Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:00 pm

the UKMET also merges this system with the caribbean wave, it combines the moisture, this could be a very big rain maker for someone…
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