Low pressure developing over the western Caribbean Sea (Is Invest 97L)

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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#21 Postby ConvergenceZone » Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:09 pm

DunedinDave wrote:From the looks of it this could be very similar to how Idalia went. Ramped up once it got past Cuba and could go a similar path per the GFS. Long way to go, of course. But that’s the first thing that spring in my head looking at the GFS track and intensity.


Didn't someone say that the GFS has this landfalling in about 30 hours? I mean I wouldn't think it would develop into much in that time frame since it's not even close to a depression yet.
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#22 Postby AtlanticWind » Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:16 pm

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DunedinDave wrote:From the looks of it this could be very similar to how Idalia went. Ramped up once it got past Cuba and could go a similar path per the GFS. Long way to go, of course. But that’s the first thing that spring in my head looking at the GFS track and intensity.


Didn't someone say that the GFS has this landfalling in about 30 hours? I mean I wouldn't think it would develop into much in that time frame since it's not even close to a depression yet.


The GFS has this land falling in Florida in about 8 days
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#23 Postby Stratton23 » Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:46 pm

ICON 00z Much further west in the gulf compared to the GFS/ CMC and Euro
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#24 Postby Woofde » Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:49 pm

AtlanticWind wrote:
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DunedinDave wrote:From the looks of it this could be very similar to how Idalia went. Ramped up once it got past Cuba and could go a similar path per the GFS. Long way to go, of course. But that’s the first thing that spring in my head looking at the GFS track and intensity.


Didn't someone say that the GFS has this landfalling in about 30 hours? I mean I wouldn't think it would develop into much in that time frame since it's not even close to a depression yet.


The GFS has this land falling in Florida in about 8 days
This mixup is because of my comment earlier. I was referencing the 18z GFS run where it's moving from the tip of Cuba to Florida in 30 hours. I meant that in the sense that at hour 168 its over Cuba, at hour 198 its landfalling on Florida, hence only 30 hours in the Gulf. That if it actually played out (obviously it's a model run on a storm that doesn't even exist yet), is not much time to take advantage of favorable conditions in the Gulf.
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#25 Postby Woofde » Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:52 pm

Stratton23 wrote:ICON 00z Much further west in the gulf compared to the GFS/ CMC and Euro
A tad more west and stronger than it's own 12z run as well. It seems like a reasonable solution for if the gyre was slower to consolidate.
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#26 Postby Weathertracker96 » Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:45 pm

GFS made a surprising right hand turn into FL north of Tampa. Wasn’t expecting that. Would be interesting to see where the low forms. That will help the models narrow down track etc
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#27 Postby ConvergenceZone » Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:58 pm

AtlanticWind wrote:
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DunedinDave wrote:From the looks of it this could be very similar to how Idalia went. Ramped up once it got past Cuba and could go a similar path per the GFS. Long way to go, of course. But that’s the first thing that spring in my head looking at the GFS track and intensity.


Didn't someone say that the GFS has this landfalling in about 30 hours? I mean I wouldn't think it would develop into much in that time frame since it's not even close to a depression yet.


The GFS has this land falling in Florida in about 8 days


That actually sounds about right.
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#28 Postby Stratton23 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:37 am

Huge spread in the 00z GEFS
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#29 Postby Stratton23 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 1:57 am

00z Euro much further west, into the BOC before eventually turning NNW
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#30 Postby AtlanticWind » Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:01 am

Stratton23 wrote:00z Euro much further west, into the BOC before eventually turning NNW


Euro ensembles much different than the operational
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#31 Postby Stratton23 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:43 am

ArlanticWind yes, but thats to be expected at this range
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#32 Postby DunedinDave » Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:19 am

Euro doesn’t develop this until a few days after the other models do and then send it to the BOC. Almost a Francine redux. Odd.
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#33 Postby 3090 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:53 am

DunedinDave wrote:Euro doesn’t develop this until a few days after the other models do and then send it to the BOC. Almost a Francine redux. Odd.

There is nothing yet. All models are pretty much at a disadvantage currently. No model output at this point should be considered odd. Sit back and see how this evolves if it ever does. Only 20% at this time.
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#34 Postby Ivanhater » Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:26 am

06z GFS big changes. Caving toward the Icon and Euro. Much further west
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#35 Postby TomballEd » Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:29 am

GFS tends to be a bit quick with systems developing in the WCAR. I'd trend toward the Euro ensembles for possible strength and threatened areas, although at a week out, things are bound to change.

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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#36 Postby MHC Tracking » Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:56 am

Jr0d wrote:
aspen wrote:
Category5Kaiju wrote:Oh boy, here we go...

I have a feeling this will be quite the thread. :lol:

The big question is, like Beryl or like Francine? Because I can very easily see this taking forever to amount to anything and becoming far less notable than what a week+ of model runs suggest.


Hopefully (edit) weaker than either but we have yet to have a major storm threaten the CONUS this season and hopefully the trend will continue.

That said if something develops, it will likely be the H name which for some reason seems an H of a lot better than the dreaded I storms.

Consider this: if 92L back in June had been given Beryl as many said it should have been, then indeed we would be on the "I" name right now... :double:
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#37 Postby GCANE » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:05 am

GFS is forecasting a large 700mb gyre over CA by 9/22 with a broad anticyclone.
Tons of high TPW air from the EPAC will be flowing into this.
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#38 Postby mantis83 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:38 am

models seem to be trending towards a weaker system, if one forms, which is good news....
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#39 Postby cycloneye » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:42 am

8 AM:

Northwestern Caribbean Sea:
A broad area of low pressure could form late this weekend or early
next week over the northwestern Caribbean Sea. Thereafter, some
slow development of this system is possible through the middle
of next week while it moves slowly to the north or northwest
over the northwestern Caribbean Sea or the southeastern Gulf of
Mexico.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...low...20 percent.
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Re: Area of low pressure to develop over the western Caribbean Sea

#40 Postby toad strangler » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:47 am

Ivanhater wrote:06z GFS big changes. Caving toward the Icon and Euro. Much further west


There is no disturbance and or gyre yet. I wouldn't classify pre disturbance windshield wiping with caving. To me anyway, caving is for much closer in when models are tightening up in agreement.
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