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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#41 Postby Hurricane2022 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:57 am

cycloneye wrote:
Tropical Storm John Tropical Cyclone Update
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP102024
1000 AM CDT Mon Sep 23 2024

Recent satellite imagery indicates that John continues to become
better organized, and that it is likely to become a hurricane later
today. Continued strengthening appears likely while John approaches
the coast of southern Mexico within the Hurricane Warning area.
This will result in changes to the initial and forecast intensity
that will be reflected in the next forecast advisory issued by the
National Hurricane Center at 900 AM CST (1500 UTC).

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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#42 Postby Pasmorade » Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:48 am

WTPZ25 KNHC 231447
TCMEP5

TROPICAL STORM JOHN FORECAST/ADVISORY NUMBER 4
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP102024
1500 UTC MON SEP 23 2024

TROPICAL STORM CENTER LOCATED NEAR 14.8N 98.5W AT 23/1500Z
POSITION ACCURATE WITHIN 30 NM

PRESENT MOVEMENT TOWARD THE NORTH OR 0 DEGREES AT 3 KT

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 992 MB
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 60 KT WITH GUSTS TO 75 KT.
50 KT....... 20NE 0SE 0SW 0NW.
34 KT....... 40NE 30SE 30SW 30NW.
12 FT SEAS.. 45NE 75SE 75SW 45NW.
WINDS AND SEAS VARY GREATLY IN EACH QUADRANT. RADII IN NAUTICAL
MILES ARE THE LARGEST RADII EXPECTED ANYWHERE IN THAT QUADRANT.

REPEAT...CENTER LOCATED NEAR 14.8N 98.5W AT 23/1500Z
AT 23/1200Z CENTER WAS LOCATED NEAR 14.6N 98.6W

FORECAST VALID 24/0000Z 15.2N 98.3W
MAX WIND 75 KT...GUSTS 90 KT.
64 KT... 10NE 10SE 0SW 0NW.
50 KT... 20NE 20SE 20SW 20NW.
34 KT... 40NE 40SE 40SW 30NW.

FORECAST VALID 24/1200Z 15.7N 97.9W
MAX WIND 90 KT...GUSTS 110 KT.
64 KT... 10NE 10SE 10SW 10NW.
50 KT... 20NE 20SE 20SW 20NW.
34 KT... 50NE 60SE 60SW 40NW.

FORECAST VALID 25/0000Z 16.0N 97.6W...INLAND
MAX WIND 90 KT...GUSTS 110 KT.
64 KT... 5NE 10SE 10SW 5NW.
50 KT... 15NE 20SE 20SW 15NW.
34 KT... 40NE 80SE 80SW 40NW.

FORECAST VALID 25/1200Z 16.2N 97.4W...INLAND
MAX WIND 35 KT...GUSTS 45 KT.
34 KT... 0NE 40SE 30SW 0NW.

FORECAST VALID 26/0000Z...DISSIPATED

REQUEST FOR 3 HOURLY SHIP REPORTS WITHIN 300 MILES OF 14.8N 98.5W

INTERMEDIATE PUBLIC ADVISORY...WTNT35 KNHC/MIATCPEP5...AT 23/1800Z

NEXT ADVISORY AT 23/2100Z

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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#43 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:51 am

Tropical Storm John Advisory Number 4
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP102024
900 AM CST Mon Sep 23 2024

...JOHN RAPIDLY STRENGTHENING AS IT MOVES CLOSER TO THE COAST OF
SOUTHERN MEXICO...
...DAMAGING HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS, A DANGEROUS STORM SURGE, AND
LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODING EXPECTED IN PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN
MEXICO...


SUMMARY OF 900 AM CST...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...14.8N 98.5W
ABOUT 105 MI...165 KM S OF PUNTA MALDONADO MEXICO
ABOUT 115 MI...185 KM SW OF PUERTO ESCONDIDO MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...70 MPH...110 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 0 DEGREES AT 3 MPH...6 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...992 MB...29.30 INCHES




Tropical Storm John Discussion Number 4
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP102024
900 AM CST Mon Sep 23 2024

Satellite images show that John has been strengthening quickly. A
large area of cold cloud tops between -70C and -85C is present over
the tropical cyclone, with tight curved bands wrapping around the
center. The latest subjective Dvorak intensity estimates are
T-3.5/55 kt from TAFB and T-3.0/45 kt from SAB. Recent objective
Dvorak intensity estimates from UW-CIMSS have been ranging between
57 and 76 kt. A 23/0836 UTC AMSR-2 microwave pass shows that the
inner core has become much better defined, showing a small eye-like
feature on microwave imagery, although there are no signs of an eye
showing up yet in infrared or visible images. A 23/1011 UTC SSMIS
pass showed a similar structure to the AMSR-2 pass. Based on the
above data and imagery, the initial intensity is raised to 60 kt.

John will continue to be located within an environment of extremely
warm ocean temperatures, light wind shear and a moist low- to
mid-level troposphere as it approaches the coast of Mexico. While
the hurricane regional and dynamical models show a more limited
amount of additional strengthening, the statistical models like
SHIPS and LGEM are at the high end of the guidance suite. Given
that the system has already intensified by 30 kt in the past 18 h,
and given that the SHIPS rapid intensity index is showing greater
than an 85 percent chance of a 30-kt increase in the next 24 h, the
NHC intensity forecast will now explicitly show rapid strengthening
over the next 24 h. This intensity forecast is at the high end of
the guidance suite. It is possible that John could peak even
higher than shown below between the 24 h forecast point and when it
is forecast to move inland around 36 hours. Interests along the
coast of southern Mexico should closely monitor future forecast
updates on John.

Based on center fixes over the past 6 to 12 hours, John's motion is
estimated to be northward, or 0 degrees at 3 kt. John is embedded
in very weak steering currents, and the primary steering mechanism
is likely the southwesterly monsoonal flow that the cyclone is
embedded in. The new NHC track forecast has been shifted to the
west of the previous official forecast and now lies very near the
latest model consensus. It should be noted that the track forecast
and timing of when the center reaches the coast is more uncertain
than normal.


KEY MESSAGES:

1. John is expected to become a hurricane later today and
additional strengthening is likely before the center reaches the
coast of southern Mexico within the Hurricane Warning area on
Tuesday. Damaging hurricane-force winds and a dangerous storm surge
are expected within portions of the warning area.

2. John will bring very heavy rainfall to coastal portions of
southern Mexico through this week. This heavy rainfall will likely
cause significant and possibly catastrophic, life-threatening flash
flooding and mudslides to the Mexican States of Chiapas, Oaxaca, and
southeast Guerrero, particularly in areas near the coast.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 23/1500Z 14.8N 98.5W 60 KT 70 MPH
12H 24/0000Z 15.2N 98.3W 75 KT 85 MPH
24H 24/1200Z 15.7N 97.9W 90 KT 105 MPH
36H 25/0000Z 16.0N 97.6W 90 KT 105 MPH...INLAND
48H 25/1200Z 16.2N 97.4W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND
60H 26/0000Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#44 Postby Hurricane2022 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:56 am

I hope the NHC sends an Recon Plane later today. This is a very dangerous situation and John will be overland tomorrow by the time the plane was scheduled to depart yesterday (1730z).
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#45 Postby Ntxw » Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:57 am

This part of the EPAC basin is dangerous. Not surprised John is pulling some intensification near the coast. Some big monsters have skirted here especially late September into October-November. The low latitude+peak seasonal warming of SSTs certainly helps fuel them.
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#46 Postby WaveBreaking » Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:57 am

Currently forecast to make landfall as a 65kt hurricane but is already clearing an eye. Yikes.

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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#47 Postby Hurricane2022 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:01 am

WaveBreaking wrote:Currently forecast to make landfall as a 65kt TS but is already clearing an eye. Yikes.

https://i.imgur.com/yO8I9q2.gif

The NHC is now forecasting a 90 kt peak. I think it likely will be a moderate C4 at landfall by tomorrow morning or so.
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#48 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:02 am

Wouldn't be surprised if a 90kt peak is still too low. I could this hitting 100kts, maybe even close to 115kts near landfall. Already looks like it's starting to clear an eye..
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#49 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:14 am

Eye is trying to clear out on visible but has been obscured by overshooting tops. Clearly a hurricane. This is where satellite estimates start to get a little bit dodgy due to fluctuations in the systems scene type while it attempts to clear an eye.
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#50 Postby PDKlikatino » Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:21 am

I would have thought since the massive errors in forecasting with Otis last year that the NHC would be on top of things here, this thing is almost certainly not a 60kt tropical storm!
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#51 Postby tulum07 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:35 am

I have heard the circulation of TS John may cross this narrow part of MX and enter the Bay of Campeche by the end of this week. Any thoughts?
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#52 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:36 am

Very reminiscent of Otis last year.
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#53 Postby Ntxw » Mon Sep 23, 2024 11:03 am

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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#54 Postby Category5Kaiju » Mon Sep 23, 2024 11:25 am

For those who know EPAC geography well, how populated is the area where John is expected to make landfall?
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#55 Postby WaveBreaking » Mon Sep 23, 2024 12:30 pm

Category5Kaiju wrote:For those who know EPAC geography well, how populated is the area where John is expected to make landfall?


The Mexican state of Oaxaca has a population of ~4.1 million people per the 2020 census, but most live in Oaxaca City well inland. There is a decent amount of people who live on the coast where John will make landfall (most municipalities in the path have a pop. of 20k-50k), but at the same time it’s not too large of a population.

Source: https://www.citypopulation.de/en/mexico ... 0__oaxaca/
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Hurricane - Discussion

#56 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 23, 2024 12:51 pm


Satellite imagery indicates that John continues to rapidly
strengthen with estimated maximum sustained winds of 85 mph (140
km/h). A special advisory will be issued by 1200 PM CST (1800 UTC)
to reflect this intensity change and update the track and intensity
forecast. The special advisory will be issued in lieu of the 1200
PM CST (1800 UTC) intermediate advisory.
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Hurricane - Discussion

#57 Postby Hurricane2022 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 12:59 pm

Unfortunately it looks like that there will be no recon for John.
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Hurricane - Discussion

#58 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:08 pm

Hurricane John Special Discussion Number 5
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP102024
1200 PM CST Mon Sep 23 2024

John has continued to rapidly intensify and the latest images
suggest an eye may be forming on visible and infrared imagery.
Recent objective intensity estimates from UW-CIMSS range from
65 to 85 kt. The current intensity estimate is increased to 75 kt.
The new NHC intensity forecast shows John strengthening to a major
hurricane prior to reaching the coast of Mexico. It is possible
that the hurricane could strengthen more than forecast.

Only a minor tweak was made to the previous NHC track forecast to
show landfall occurring a bit sooner. Residents of Mexico in the
hurricane warning area should rush preparations to completion this
afternoon.


KEY MESSAGES:

1. John is expected to continue rapidly intensifying, and is
forecast to become a major hurricane before the center reaches the
coast of southern Mexico within the Hurricane Warning area on
Tuesday. Damaging hurricane-force winds and a dangerous storm surge
are expected within portions of the warning area.

2. John will bring very heavy rainfall to coastal portions of
southern Mexico through this week. This heavy rainfall will likely
cause significant and possibly catastrophic, life-threatening flash
flooding and mudslides to the Mexican States of Chiapas, Oaxaca, and
southeast Guerrero, particularly in areas near the coast.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 23/1800Z 15.1N 98.4W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 24/0000Z 15.3N 98.2W 90 KT 105 MPH
24H 24/1200Z 15.8N 97.9W 105 KT 120 MPH
36H 25/0000Z 16.1N 97.6W 90 KT 105 MPH...INLAND
48H 25/1200Z 16.3N 97.4W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND
60H 26/0000Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Hurricane - Discussion

#59 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:54 pm

HURRICANE JOHN
FLIGHT ONE - TEAL 77 FLIGHT TWO - TEAL 78
A. 24/1730Z A. 25/0530Z
B. AFXXX 0110E JOHN B. AFXXX 0210E JOHN
C. 24/1330Z C. 25/0130Z
D. 15.8N 97.8W D. 15.9N 97.7W
E. 24/1700Z TO 24/2030Z E. 25/0500Z TO 25/0830Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT F. SFC TO 10,000 FT
G. FIX G. FIX
H. NO WRA ACTIVATION H. NO WRA ACTIVATION
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Re: EPAC: JOHN - Hurricane - Discussion

#60 Postby Hurricane2022 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:24 pm

cycloneye wrote:
HURRICANE JOHN
FLIGHT ONE - TEAL 77 FLIGHT TWO - TEAL 78
A. 24/1730Z A. 25/0530Z
B. AFXXX 0110E JOHN B. AFXXX 0210E JOHN
C. 24/1330Z C. 25/0130Z
D. 15.8N 97.8W D. 15.9N 97.7W
E. 24/1700Z TO 24/2030Z E. 25/0500Z TO 25/0830Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT F. SFC TO 10,000 FT
G. FIX G. FIX
H. NO WRA ACTIVATION H. NO WRA ACTIVATION

I have no idea what the NHC is thinking by scheduling these flights so late. I also honestly didn't understand what happened when they booked the second flight. :lol: :spam:
48H 25/1200Z 16.3N 97.4W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND
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