ATL: MILTON - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5381 Postby kassi » Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:45 am

Abdullah wrote:This is probably the peak of power outages in the storm, now that it has moved off the coast:

https://i.imgur.com/KJVA9WJ.png

30% of Floridians without power (3.41M households out of 11.6M)

68% of Tampa Bay metro area residents without power (1.17M out of 1.71M)
76% of Sarasota metro area residents without power (425K out of 561K)
33% of Orlando metro area residents without power (374K out of 1.13M)
49% of Lee County residents without power (248K out of 504K)
62% of Daytona Beach metro area residents without power (244K out of 395K)
53% of Polk County residents without power (201K out of 379K)


It actually went up a little.
3,433,977

https://imgur.com/a/94Umw5H
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5382 Postby Sciencerocks » Thu Oct 10, 2024 12:19 pm

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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5383 Postby eastcoastFL » Thu Oct 10, 2024 12:33 pm

wwizard wrote:
LARanger wrote:
aspen wrote:Interesting how well the position by Wednesday-Thursday verified despite the significant southern shifts on Sunday-Tuesday. Otherwise, still a good job with the track forecast.


Yes. I don't wish to poo-poo the praise, but unless NHC had been locked on to the same point the whole time, rejecting claims to the contrary based on guts and good sense, then the fact the landfall ended up only 12 miles off an early forecast is, objectively, just luck.


Even if there were shifts along the way, it never left the general area and the fact they ended being pretty close from the initial advisory is pretty remarkable.

You can call it luck if you want, and if so they must be pretty lucky because they’ve basically been on top of it with Helene, Ernesto, Debby (after 4 advisories), and though they were off on Beryl in the Gulf, they nailed it going into the Yucatan. Even Kirk was a nearly perfect forecast track from the start.


I agree with you. It’s just science and math, not luck. Also a lot of experience as well. These guys are the best at what they do with these tracks. Intensity remains a mystery but they did nail the weakening on approach.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5384 Postby galaxy401 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 12:33 pm

Now extratropical.

BULLETIN
Post-Tropical Cyclone Milton Intermediate Advisory Number 22A
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142024
200 PM EDT Thu Oct 10 2024

...MILTON BECOMES A HURRICANE-FORCE EXTRATROPICAL LOW...
...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS AND STORM SURGE STILL OCCURRING OVER
PORTIONS OF THE SOUTHEASTERN U.S. COAST...


SUMMARY OF 200 PM EDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...29.3N 77.5W
ABOUT 200 MI...320 KM ENE OF CAPE CANAVERAL FLORIDA
ABOUT 200 MI...325 KM N OF GREAT ABACO ISLAND
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...75 MPH...120 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...ENE OR 70 DEGREES AT 21 MPH...33 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...983 MB...29.03 INCHES
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5385 Postby kassi » Thu Oct 10, 2024 12:37 pm



On a larger scale, we all know how much worse it could have been if a few things went differently, but let's not make light of the horror for many facing total devastation. A lot of people woke up today wondering what they will do from here. A lot of people have major or even minor damage to deal with. It's not easy. It ALWAYS "could have been worse" but for many people, it's pretty damn bad.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5386 Postby zal0phus » Thu Oct 10, 2024 12:44 pm

galaxy401 wrote:Now extratropical.

BULLETIN
Post-Tropical Cyclone Milton Intermediate Advisory Number 22A
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142024
200 PM EDT Thu Oct 10 2024

...MILTON BECOMES A HURRICANE-FORCE EXTRATROPICAL LOW...
...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS AND STORM SURGE STILL OCCURRING OVER
PORTIONS OF THE SOUTHEASTERN U.S. COAST...


SUMMARY OF 200 PM EDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...29.3N 77.5W
ABOUT 200 MI...320 KM ENE OF CAPE CANAVERAL FLORIDA
ABOUT 200 MI...325 KM N OF GREAT ABACO ISLAND
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...75 MPH...120 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...ENE OR 70 DEGREES AT 21 MPH...33 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...983 MB...29.03 INCHES


Good riddance, Milton. (insert corny joke about Paradise Lost)
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5387 Postby longhorn2004 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 12:55 pm

storm_in_a_teacup wrote:


Looks like it got ripped apart and smeared all over the atmosphere, like a bug being run over by a car or something.


Jetstream?
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5388 Postby storm_in_a_teacup » Thu Oct 10, 2024 1:05 pm

longhorn2004 wrote:
storm_in_a_teacup wrote:


Looks like it got ripped apart and smeared all over the atmosphere, like a bug being run over by a car or something.


Jetstream?


Maybe? But doesn't it usually go further north? Or is it a subtropical jet? I don't know much about the jetstream honestly.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5389 Postby mpic » Thu Oct 10, 2024 1:45 pm

kassi wrote:
Abdullah wrote:This is probably the peak of power outages in the storm, now that it has moved off the coast:

https://i.imgur.com/KJVA9WJ.png

30% of Floridians without power (3.41M households out of 11.6M)

68% of Tampa Bay metro area residents without power (1.17M out of 1.71M)
76% of Sarasota metro area residents without power (425K out of 561K)
33% of Orlando metro area residents without power (374K out of 1.13M)
49% of Lee County residents without power (248K out of 504K)
62% of Daytona Beach metro area residents without power (244K out of 395K)
53% of Polk County residents without power (201K out of 379K)


It actually went up a little.
3,433,977

https://imgur.com/a/94Umw5H

Is it true that most of the power is underground or just in new subdivisions?
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5390 Postby MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS » Thu Oct 10, 2024 1:47 pm



That doesn't look bad at all. Just the properties literally on the beach.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5391 Postby mpic » Thu Oct 10, 2024 1:49 pm

MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS wrote:


That doesn't look bad at all. Just the properties literally on the beach.

In THIS particular video...not representative of all of Florida.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#5392 Postby mpic » Thu Oct 10, 2024 1:51 pm

Does anyone have any news about highrise condos in Fort Myers?
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5393 Postby eastcoastFL » Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:17 pm

MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS wrote:


That doesn't look bad at all. Just the properties literally on the beach.


Lol well yah since this is a video of just one specific area. There's large swaths of damage all across the state, whether from the tornados the hurricanes winds or the flooding. That invest that dumped rain on us for a week before Milton arrived really made the flooding from rain even worse. We were so saturated already.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5394 Postby eastcoastFL » Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:18 pm

mpic wrote:
kassi wrote:
Abdullah wrote:This is probably the peak of power outages in the storm, now that it has moved off the coast:

https://i.imgur.com/KJVA9WJ.png

30% of Floridians without power (3.41M households out of 11.6M)

68% of Tampa Bay metro area residents without power (1.17M out of 1.71M)
76% of Sarasota metro area residents without power (425K out of 561K)
33% of Orlando metro area residents without power (374K out of 1.13M)
49% of Lee County residents without power (248K out of 504K)
62% of Daytona Beach metro area residents without power (244K out of 395K)
53% of Polk County residents without power (201K out of 379K)


It actually went up a little.
3,433,977

https://imgur.com/a/94Umw5H

Is it true that most of the power is underground or just in new subdivisions?



I wish that were true. I don't know about all of Florida but most places I know of are still above ground unfortunately.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5395 Postby kassi » Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:22 pm

mpic wrote:
kassi wrote:
Abdullah wrote:This is probably the peak of power outages in the storm, now that it has moved off the coast:

https://i.imgur.com/KJVA9WJ.png

30% of Floridians without power (3.41M households out of 11.6M)

68% of Tampa Bay metro area residents without power (1.17M out of 1.71M)
76% of Sarasota metro area residents without power (425K out of 561K)
33% of Orlando metro area residents without power (374K out of 1.13M)
49% of Lee County residents without power (248K out of 504K)
62% of Daytona Beach metro area residents without power (244K out of 395K)
53% of Polk County residents without power (201K out of 379K)


It actually went up a little.
3,433,977

https://imgur.com/a/94Umw5H

Is it true that most of the power is underground or just in new subdivisions?

I have no idea. I'm in extreme SETX and I feel like it would have been worse here. Heck, nearly 3 million lost power for cat 1 Beryl and that was just in the Houston area. I don't know how long the outages lasted, but for one relative it was well over a week. I can only assume they have underground power in Florida.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#5396 Postby kassi » Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:27 pm

At least 12 people have been confirmed dead in the storm's aftermath, including six deaths in St. Lucie County on Florida's Atlantic coast, where officials said tornadoes touched down.

:(

Per NBC NEWS.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#5397 Postby Steve » Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:36 pm

I saw this today watching a Tampa station. North Fort Myers.

https://youtu.be/LzmcEv2T0wA?si=j8fp9hSJv8ATuTA8
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#5398 Postby kassi » Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:44 pm

Steve wrote:I saw this today watching a Tampa station. North Fort Myers.

https://youtu.be/LzmcEv2T0wA?si=j8fp9hSJv8ATuTA8

As if he wasn't going through enough already! That's a bad day.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Hurricane - Discussion

#5399 Postby mpic » Thu Oct 10, 2024 3:55 pm

kassi wrote:
mpic wrote:
kassi wrote:
It actually went up a little.
3,433,977

https://imgur.com/a/94Umw5H

Is it true that most of the power is underground or just in new subdivisions?

I have no idea. I'm in extreme SETX and I feel like it would have been worse here. Heck, nearly 3 million lost power for cat 1 Beryl and that was just in the Houston area. I don't know how long the outages lasted, but for one relative it was well over a week. I can only assume they have underground power in Florida.

Splendora here...moved up from Dickinson a few monthe before Harvey.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#5400 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 3:59 pm

As far as the best track of Milton, here's my analysis looking through all the data available.

AL142024, MILTON, 26,
20241005, 0000, , LO, 21.1N, 95.2W, 30, 1008,
20241005, 0600, , LO, 21.6N, 95.4W, 35, 1006,
20241005, 1200, , TS, 22.1N, 95.5W, 35, 1005,
20241005, 1800, , TS, 22.5N, 95.6W, 40, 1004,
20241006, 0000, , TS, 22.7N, 95.4W, 40, 1002,
20241006, 0600, , TS, 22.6N, 95.2W, 45, 996,
20241006, 1200, , TS, 22.5N, 94.8W, 55, 990,
20241006, 1800, , HU, 22.5N, 94.1W, 70, 986,
20241007, 0000, , HU, 22.4N, 93.4W, 80, 980,
20241007, 0600, , HU, 22.2N, 92.9W, 95, 970,
20241007, 1200, , HU, 21.8N, 92.2W, 120, 945,
20241007, 1800, , HU, 21.7N, 91.3W, 150, 910,
20241007, 2200, P, HU, 21.8N, 90.7W, 155, 897,
20241008, 0000, , HU, 21.8N, 90.4W, 150, 902,
20241008, 0600, , HU, 22.0N, 89.5W, 130, 927,
20241008, 1200, , HU, 22.4N, 88.8W, 130, 929,
20241008, 1800, , HU, 22.6N, 88.1W, 140, 918,
20241009, 0000, , HU, 23.0N, 86.9W, 145, 902,
20241009, 0600, , HU, 23.8N, 85.9W, 140, 908,
20241009, 1200, , HU, 25.0N, 84.8W, 125, 922,
20241009, 1800, , HU, 26.3N, 83.9W, 105, 946,
20241010, 0000, , HU, 27.2N, 82.7W, 100, 954,
20241010, 0045, L, HU, 27.3N, 82.5W, 95, 956,
20241010, 0600, , HU, 28.2N, 81.3W, 70, 976,
20241010, 1200, , EX, 28.9N, 79.5W, 65, 980,
20241010, 1800, , EX, 29.5N, 77.5W, 60, 981,

* Genesis is unchanged. However, it likely was already a tropical storm at the time based on ASCAT passes of 31 kt and 35 kt, adjusted for the low resolution of the instrument. Pre-Recon intensities are increased accordingly.
* The rapid intensification is basically unchanged with slight smoothing especially on the pressure (as it was intensifying so fast, between-pass interpolation was necessary).
* The peak intensity of 155 kt was maintained, as while the SFMR went nuts, it only deserved slight weighting - the highest FL winds (about 161 kt) support 145 kt, but it was difficult to capture in such a tiny core. Additionally, the Dvorak reading of T7.5 supports 155 kt as well. The minimum pressure of 897 mb, also unchanged from the operational NHC analysis, was at 2200Z, a non-synoptic time, as it is likely the storm strengthened up to that reading (there was a 4 nm closed eyewall) and began to fill right after it (the eyewall cycle was underway as the next pass found a concentric eyewall).
* After the eyewall cycle, the pressure seemed to oscillate in the second peak, reaching a low of 902 mb at about 2300Z, concurrent with the AF plane being several millibars higher. I went with the P-3's pressure of 902 mb as the minimum at this time. A blend of aircraft readings support an intensity of 145kt at this time (lower than the SFMR which is unreliable in a cat 5, the Dvorak estimates or the P-W relationship).
* Rapid weakening occurred soon after, especially on the 9th. The pressure rose significantly and the winds decreased as a result due to increased shear, dry air and the early stages of extratropical transition. Recon still supported 100 kt around 0000Z on October 10, however, the pressure rose a bit after the last Recon and the radar velocities dropped slightly. Hence, I estimate the landfall intensity was 95 kt, accounting for such. The pressure of 956 mb is based on the Sarasota reading of 960 mb at the airport (being offset from the true center) and storm chasers' measurements (I saw 958, 957 and 960 from some).
* Extratropical transition is moved up to 1200Z, based on the structural changes that occurred, although an argument could be made that it occurred a little earlier.
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