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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2961 Postby snownado » Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:54 am

orangeblood wrote:Starting to get into decent short range mode now, still a few runs out from Hi Res but here is the current depiction of the transition zones on the NAM. Wouldn't pay too much attention to amounts yet, probably most useful to see where the boundaries lie for snow, sleet, freezing rain currently

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/total_snow_10to1/1736164800/1736467200-26dEVmrrVA4.png
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/sleet_total/1736164800/1736467200-jUHXaucvYF4.png
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/frzr_total/1736164800/1736467200-FZVaMcmi964.png


And the heaviest of the snow doesn't even show up on those accumulation maps (just beyond 84hr)...
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2962 Postby snownado » Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:58 am

orangeblood wrote:Starting to get into decent short range mode now, still a few runs out from Hi Res but here is the current depiction of the transition zones on the NAM. Wouldn't pay too much attention to amounts yet, probably most useful to see where the boundaries lie for snow, sleet, freezing rain currently

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/total_snow_10to1/1736164800/1736467200-26dEVmrrVA4.png
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/sleet_total/1736164800/1736467200-jUHXaucvYF4.png
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/frzr_total/1736164800/1736467200-FZVaMcmi964.png


BTW, there is at least some comfort knowing the NAM isn't the warmest or most amped model at 84hr.

Maybe the EURO will come back down to earth a bit too...
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2963 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:58 am

snownado wrote:
orangeblood wrote:Starting to get into decent short range mode now, still a few runs out from Hi Res but here is the current depiction of the transition zones on the NAM. Wouldn't pay too much attention to amounts yet, probably most useful to see where the boundaries lie for snow, sleet, freezing rain currently

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/total_snow_10to1/1736164800/1736467200-26dEVmrrVA4.png
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/sleet_total/1736164800/1736467200-jUHXaucvYF4.png
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/frzr_total/1736164800/1736467200-FZVaMcmi964.png


And the heaviest of the snow doesn't even show up on those accumulation maps (just beyond 84hr)...


Actually heavy qpf should occur during the day Thursday during this time frame, the NAM model is just horrible at this range with amounts. It usually plays catch up on amounts compared to the other models, really useful for temp profiles though.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2964 Postby opticsguy » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:01 am

orangeblood wrote:
snownado wrote:
orangeblood wrote:Starting to get into decent short range mode now, still a few runs out from Hi Res but here is the current depiction of the transition zones on the NAM. Wouldn't pay too much attention to amounts yet, probably most useful to see where the boundaries lie for snow, sleet, freezing rain currently

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/total_snow_10to1/1736164800/1736467200-26dEVmrrVA4.png
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/sleet_total/1736164800/1736467200-jUHXaucvYF4.png
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/frzr_total/1736164800/1736467200-FZVaMcmi964.png


And the heaviest of the snow doesn't even show up on those accumulation maps (just beyond 84hr)...


Actually heavy amounts should occur during the day Thursday during this time frame, the NAM model is just horrible at this range with amounts. It usually plays catch up on amounts compared to the other models, really useful for temp profiles though.


So the 1"+ of freezing rain for Longview isn't realistic? The power goes out in Wood/Upshur county when it rains hard. Hate to see what that much ice would do.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2965 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:03 am

opticsguy wrote:
orangeblood wrote:
snownado wrote:
And the heaviest of the snow doesn't even show up on those accumulation maps (just beyond 84hr)...


Actually heavy amounts should occur during the day Thursday during this time frame, the NAM model is just horrible at this range with amounts. It usually plays catch up on amounts compared to the other models, really useful for temp profiles though.


So the 1"+ of freezing rain for Longview isn't realistic? The power goes out in Wood/Upshur county when it rains hard. Hate to see what that much ice would do.


Doubtful, temps are likely too borderline freezing to cause that amount of accumulation. It's the mid to upper 20's frz rain events that normally cause the big issues.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2966 Postby snownado » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:04 am

orangeblood wrote:
snownado wrote:
orangeblood wrote:Starting to get into decent short range mode now, still a few runs out from Hi Res but here is the current depiction of the transition zones on the NAM. Wouldn't pay too much attention to amounts yet, probably most useful to see where the boundaries lie for snow, sleet, freezing rain currently

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/total_snow_10to1/1736164800/1736467200-26dEVmrrVA4.png
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/sleet_total/1736164800/1736467200-jUHXaucvYF4.png
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/nam-218-all/tx/frzr_total/1736164800/1736467200-FZVaMcmi964.png


And the heaviest of the snow doesn't even show up on those accumulation maps (just beyond 84hr)...


Actually heavy amounts should occur during the day Thursday during this time frame, the NAM model is just horrible at this range with amounts. It usually plays catch up on amounts compared to the other models, really useful for temp profiles though.


I was saying the 12z NAM shows a bunch of snow falling at 84hr that isn't included on its snowfall maps (so it was shaping up to be a biggie).

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2967 Postby Wntrwthrguy » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:06 am

I’m still hoping we see a shift southeast to at least Williamson county for the snow. Will be watching future runs to see if they can trend a little colder.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2968 Postby Texas Snowman » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:06 am

Brent wrote:Officially 11 inches in Kansas City yesterday... Biggest snowstorm in 60 years :eek: :eek: and 3rd highest all time

I'm ready to go home and finally reel one down there


14.1 in Topeka, third biggest single day snowfall in their records.

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2969 Postby snownado » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:10 am

Take it with a tiny grain of salt (CBS in San Antonio):

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https://x.com/RDR8ER/status/18762699416 ... Qll0w&s=19
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2970 Postby gpsnowman » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:13 am

I wonder if we will get a Cantore visit to Dallas?
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2971 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:17 am

opticsguy wrote:So the 1"+ of freezing rain for Longview isn't realistic? The power goes out in Wood/Upshur county when it rains hard. Hate to see what that much ice would do.

Per SkewT on the 12Z NAM, temps from 700mb down to 900mb basically ride the freezing line for the Tyler and Longview areas. This is a sleet/snow profile to me. Around 1" QPF during the day Thu.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2972 Postby snownado » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:17 am

gpsnowman wrote:I wonder if we will get a Cantore visit to Dallas?


If the current model progs come to fruition, no doubt.

He was also in Dallas for Feb. 2021
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2973 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:18 am

Okay, who opened the door to both my Canadian border and Red River walls last night? Freezing in Houston this morning. Looks like we'll be south of any winter weather. Austin area may be questionable as far as any snow, maybe just a little. Maybe 6" give or take in the D-FW area.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2974 Postby WacoWx » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:19 am

gpsnowman wrote:I wonder if we will get a Cantore visit to Dallas?


I would say yes, due to the Cotton Bowl being in town. I can see him setting up with Jerry World in the background much like he did in KC with Arrowhead.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2975 Postby Texas Snow » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:21 am

wxman57 wrote:Okay, who opened the door to both my Canadian border and Red River walls last night? Freezing in Houston this morning. Looks like we'll be south of any winter weather. Austin area may be questionable as far as any snow, maybe just a little. Maybe 6" give or take in the D-FW area.


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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2976 Postby GeauxTigers » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:21 am

What is the time frame for winter precip start mid to late week? I'm in N Tx area-Denton/Grayson county line. Will it be overnight Wednesday or during day Thursday? Thanks
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2977 Postby foulbeast » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:23 am

Overnight forecast discussion for long term from FWD.

.LONG TERM... /Issued 328 AM CST Mon Jan 6 2025/
/Tuesday Night and Beyond/

Confidence continues to increase in a potentially impactful winter
storm across much of North and Central Texas during the second
half of the work week. By Tuesday night, an impressive upper-level
low will sink south toward Baja California setting the stage for
what could be quite the snow event across much of the region.
Climatologically, this upper-level pattern favors more long
duration, large areal coverage snow events across North and
Central Texas with a near continuous supply of 700mb-500mb Pacific
moisture streaming overhead from the southwest. This Pacific fetch
of moisture content keeps the dendritic growth zone saturated, a
layer in the atmosphere between -12C and -18C favorable for ice
crystal development and growth. A very dry layer of air beneath
700mb will prevent any precipitation from reaching the ground
until we tap into a southeast-northwest oriented plume of 850mb
Gulf moisture Wednesday evening.

So, we will have the moisture and we will have the lift. Now we
just need temperatures to be cold enough through entire
atmospheric column to produce snow. And here in Texas, we are used
to our winter weather events being a game of just a few degrees,
because as we know slightly colder or slightly warmer temperatures
can lead to drastically different final results. At this time,
ensemble and deterministic guidance favors temperatures profiles
supportive of snow across much of North Texas and a rain-snow mix
over Central Texas with a deepening surface low along the Texas
Coast keeping cold, northerly low-level flow over our forecast
area. This Baja California cut-off low synoptic setup is known for
having warmer temperatures aloft which could bring some warm-nose,
wintry mix action to locations south of I-20. Right now, this
layer (if to materialize) looks shallow and cool enough to support
primarily sleet rather than freezing rain. Still can`t rule a
light glazing in portions of our Central Texas and Brazos Valley
counties.

The devil is in the details, so let`s break it down:

Timing: Although some models try to start wintry precipitation in
our western North and Central counties early Wednesday afternoon,
the vast majority of guidance starts our event later Wednesday
evening into Wednesday night. Precipitation will overspread much
of our area from southwest to northeast during the day Thursday
exiting to the east Friday morning.

Amounts: Confidence is growing that a large portion of our
forecast area will see impactful snow accumulations. The most
likely amounts now range from 2-4" generally from the Red River
down toward a Goldthwaite-Hillsboro-Canton line. Higher totals are
certainly possible within this area with a 30-40% chance that
totals exceed 6" through Friday morning. Lower totals are expected
down in the Brazos Valley and the Killeen-Temple MSA with a
~30-40% chance that this area misses out on the snow event
entirely.

Type: It is still a bit too early to be confident in the
precipitation type and precisely where and when
rain/snow/sleet/freezing rain will occur. We are entering the
range of some medium-range guidance and will soon gain access to
high-resolution guidance that will help us make these distinctions
over the next 2-3 days.

Other than that, expect highs in the 30s Wednesday and Thursday
with a gradual warm-up into the 40s this weekend. Overnight lows
will dip into the 20s each night with lows in the 30s increasingly
possible by Friday morning. Stay warm, bundle up, and prepare for
an increasingly likely impactful winter weather event later this
week!

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2978 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:24 am

GeauxTigers wrote:What is the time frame for winter precip start mid to late week? I'm in N Tx area-Denton/Grayson county line. Will it be overnight Wednesday or during day Thursday? Thanks

Precip starts Wed night and continues into Fri morning. Some light stuff could start late in the day Wed but impacts likely start early Thu morning.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2979 Postby bubba hotep » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:26 am

If you don't have this printed and dog eared, then now is the time - https://nwafiles.nwas.org/digest/papers ... 7-Ryan.pdf
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#2980 Postby GeauxTigers » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:27 am

Ralph's Weather wrote:
GeauxTigers wrote:What is the time frame for winter precip start mid to late week? I'm in N Tx area-Denton/Grayson county line. Will it be overnight Wednesday or during day Thursday? Thanks

Precip starts Wed night and continues into Fri morning. Some light stuff could start late in the day Wed but impacts likely start early Thu morning.


Thanks so much!
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