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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3201 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:24 pm

Definitely warmer run. Drops a bunch of sleet over DFW and still ends as snow but the accumulations continue to be laughable on its snowfall output (at least on WeatherBell).

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3202 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:25 pm

The 18z GFS is detecting something major happening in the LR, but it’s definitely having trouble figuring it out, which is to be expected at this range.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3203 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:25 pm

Are we in the mid-range still for the upcoming system? And are the models shoving the cold off too quickly?
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3204 Postby snownado » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:30 pm

txtwister78 wrote:Definitely warmer run. Drops a bunch of sleet over DFW and still ends as snow but the accumulations continue to be laughable on its snowfall output (at least on WeatherBell).

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/ecmwf-deterministic/tx/sleet_total/1736186400/1736694000-Y90G25NAQm0.png


And with that, I'm stepping back...
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3205 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:31 pm

Iceresistance wrote:Are we in the mid-range still for the upcoming system? And are the models shoving the cold off too quickly?


We don't really have true arctic cold in place. The reason temps are going to be "colder" Wed and Thurs is because you have cloud cover and then very low dewpoints initially and where precip falls temps will also fall a bit (evaporative cooling/dynamic cooling) and so this event is largely driven by temps at the mid and upper levels. So if those are warmer than you're going to get rain/sleet or even freezing rain if it's cold enough at the surface. The trend with the globals has been to bring up more warm air courtesy of this coastal low to complicate precip types further north.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3206 Postby TheAustinMan » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:38 pm

A little messy spaghetti concerning where the freezing line at 850 hPa might be Thursday morning. This was with the 12z deterministic guidance and the 15z SREF. Will be interesting (or stressful) to see how this changes, especially as we start to get into the range of more mesoscale guidance. The 18z models seemed to trend warmer relative to what's shown here, but it can just as easily trend back in the opposite direction.

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3207 Postby Harp.1 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:39 pm

Gfs drops the Arctic hammer at the end of the run. Fun for everyone.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3208 Postby cajungal » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:43 pm

Harp.1 wrote:Gfs drops the Arctic hammer at the end of the run. Fun for everyone.


Not falling for it this early. :double: got burned this week
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3209 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:43 pm

TheAustinMan wrote:A little messy spaghetti concerning where the freezing line at 850 hPa might be Thursday morning. This was with the 12z deterministic guidance and the 15z SREF. Will be interesting (or stressful) to see how this changes, especially as we start to get into the range of more mesoscale guidance. The 18z models seemed to trend warmer relative to what's shown here, but it can just as easily trend back in the opposite direction.

https://i.imgur.com/3xrTmTS.png


Great graphic. Yeah where this coastal low is positioned during the main precip event as you can track via various models when examining the 850 temp profile will ultimately decide precip types further north. NAM definitely one of the coldest but not in range yet of the HRRR which usually has the best handle on these.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3210 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:43 pm

Harp.1 wrote:Gfs drops the Arctic hammer at the end of the run. Fun for everyone.


It’s trying to spill Siberia into the lower 48.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3211 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:44 pm

Cpv17 wrote:
Harp.1 wrote:Gfs drops the Arctic hammer at the end of the run. Fun for everyone.


It’s trying to spill Siberia into the lower 48.


PNA neutral going negative, MJO strengthening and slowing in P8-1-2. Interesting it is slowing down going to P1.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3212 Postby Harp.1 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:46 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:
Harp.1 wrote:Gfs drops the Arctic hammer at the end of the run. Fun for everyone.


It’s trying to spill Siberia into the lower 48.


PNA neutral going negative, MJO strengthening and slowing in P8-1-2. Interesting it is slowing down going to P1.
Can you explain? Thanks
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3213 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:48 pm

Harp.1 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:
It’s trying to spill Siberia into the lower 48.


PNA neutral going negative, MJO strengthening and slowing in P8-1-2. Interesting it is slowing down going to P1.
Can you explain? Thanks


Of course! Alaskan blocking will be a little better and a deep trough can settle into the western and central US with the weaker PNA. Should be a ridge in the west Atlantic, all this angles cold air more into the heartland. Tropics with the slower MJO will linger in the 'good' phases a little longer.

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3214 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:53 pm

It never got to 40 here and now back down to 33 already.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3215 Postby aggiecutter » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:53 pm

Nearly all the 18Z models are warmer. Stronger low in GOM and closer to the coast.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3216 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:54 pm

Harp.1 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:
It’s trying to spill Siberia into the lower 48.


PNA neutral going negative, MJO strengthening and slowing in P8-1-2. Interesting it is slowing down going to P1.
Can you explain? Thanks


Phases 8,1,& 2 of the MJO are good phases for cold for us during the winter.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3217 Postby Brent » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:55 pm

I drove back from Kansas City this morning and there's still ice and snow on my car :double: :cold: even after the car wash!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3218 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:59 pm

Brent wrote:I drove back from Kansas City this morning and there's still ice and snow on my car :double: :cold: even after the car wash!!


Are you going to do a chase south or hope for the best in Tulsa? :D
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3219 Postby rwfromkansas » Mon Jan 06, 2025 7:00 pm

Well. I wished I moved to Denton County sometimes. Lol. I get some sleet on that Euro run.

Getting too north…

Hopefully the high-res runs help.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#3220 Postby TropicalTundra » Mon Jan 06, 2025 7:05 pm

Some light strips of snow forming in the SE corner of NM. Might shift over Midland but it looks really dry
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