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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5581 Postby Tireman4 » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:28 am

wxman57 wrote:I love that Canadian model. It has 2F for Houston next Thursday and -2F for Lake Charles. It's about 30F colder than the other models. Last week, this far out, it predicted 4F for Houston last Saturday but the low was 39F. Canadian is generally fun to look at (and laugh at).



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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5582 Postby Brent » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:34 am

Icon snowing on the coast again :double:
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5583 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:35 am

Portastorm wrote:
Rgv20 wrote:NWS Brownsville

A cold front with air derived from the arctic will arrive on
Saturday and we will have a McFarland clone (referring to the
classic 1976 paper by M.J. McFarland describing a synoptic setup
that produces unusually cold weather for deep South Texas)
. Once a
cold front moves through, the mid-level trough axis from Hudson
Bay southwest across the United States with a north-south blocking
ridge to the west allows very cold air to plummet south through
nothing but barbed wire fencing over the Plains. The resulting
"signature" is often present when extreme cold devastates local
agriculture, especially when that industry was of major
importance.

Temperatures will "free-fall" starting Saturday night creating a
winter weather threat that will persists through much of the
week. Though initially dry, cold air nosing south into the CWA
will dance with warmer and moister marine air to set up a
deepening coastal trough. That will enhance rain chances and, when
combined with the colder temperatures which are expected to reach
a nadir Wednesday and Thursday, will up the chances for pockets
of wintry precip.

Used an NBM baseline for the forecast, realizing that there is
still a lot of uncertainty. Some of the models (like the NAM)
handle the colder temps better, and those have yet to come into
prime range. For now, the ECMWF and the NBM50 seem to be tracking
well. A bit concerning is that the lower end NBM probabilities (25
and 10 percent) which might be considered reasonable worst case
scenarios, take temps well below freezing for the coldest
nights/mornings. For now, however, we are looking at freezing
temps (around 32 degrees) for the Ranchlands Monday morning, a
light freeze across the northern tier and Starr Counties Tuesday
morning, and a light (possible hard) freeze for that same area
Wednesday morning along with a light freeze reaching Hidalgo,
Willacy, and northern Cameron Counties.


For us old-timers, the phrase "McFarland Signature" is an attention-getter! As some of you wrote about yesterday, once the NWS Brownsville office used that phrase, you knew that a heckuva cold blast was coming down into Texas. So to see reference to this again certainly raises a few eyebrows. Reference to that phrase also meant that it wouldn't be a one-day-and-done kind of thing but a more prolonged cold snap.

IMO the globals won't latch on well to the temps for next week until this weekend. We know what's coming per the ensembles and the general pattern set up. Now it's time to fine tune the temps and precip chances.


That's why it was pretty safe last week to lean on a big cold blast. The pattern certainly supports it. In addition to McFarland, more recent work by Furtado and others on CAO lined up when looking at lagged composites.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5584 Postby PTrackerLA » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:42 am

12z ICON :D

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5585 Postby cajungal » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:46 am

PTrackerLA wrote:12z ICON :D

https://i.imgur.com/eKRWzXX.png


I would get 5.5 inches but if it is too good to be true then it usually is. So not gassing up my snow mobile yet
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5586 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:50 am

PTrackerLA wrote:12z ICON :D

https://i.imgur.com/eKRWzXX.png


I'll drive to BR and fight family & friends if that verifies! Give me back my snow!
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5587 Postby gpsnowman » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:51 am

Is that 9.5 inches in New Orleans? :double:
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5588 Postby Snowman67 » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:52 am

wxman57 wrote:I love that Canadian model. It has 2F for Houston next Thursday and -2F for Lake Charles. It's about 30F colder than the other models. Last week, this far out, it predicted 4F for Houston last Saturday but the low was 39F. Canadian is generally fun to look at (and laugh at).


There's a reason many refer to it as the "Crazy Canadian"...
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5589 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:56 am

bubba hotep wrote:
PTrackerLA wrote:12z ICON :D

https://i.imgur.com/eKRWzXX.png


I'll drive to BR and fight family & friends if that verifies! Give me back my snow!


Patience my friend, let our I-10 corridor neighbors get some. We can squeeze out a few with some ratios, pretty close!
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5590 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:59 am

Also GFS has all but taken the west coast ULL out of the picture, everything should be northern stream dominant now.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5591 Postby BradKingK » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:00 am

Ntxw wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:
PTrackerLA wrote:12z ICON :D

https://i.imgur.com/eKRWzXX.png


I'll drive to BR and fight family & friends if that verifies! Give me back my snow!


Patience my friend, let our I-10 corridor neighbors get some. We can squeeze out a few with some ratios, pretty close!


What about us tweeners I-10 and I-20? We're snow lovers, too.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5592 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:02 am

BradKingK wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:
I'll drive to BR and fight family & friends if that verifies! Give me back my snow!


Patience my friend, let our I-10 corridor neighbors get some. We can squeeze out a few with some ratios, pretty close!


What about us tweeners I-10 and I-20? We're snow lovers, too.


Set ups like these favor the south for moisture, it's really cold up and down the layers. Tweeners, like the rest of us will be like Nebraska and Kansas, go for the low qpf ratio surprises. It will be powder.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5593 Postby jasons2k » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:11 am

bubba hotep wrote:
Portastorm wrote:
Rgv20 wrote:NWS Brownsville

A cold front with air derived from the arctic will arrive on
Saturday and we will have a McFarland clone (referring to the
classic 1976 paper by M.J. McFarland describing a synoptic setup
that produces unusually cold weather for deep South Texas)
. Once a
cold front moves through, the mid-level trough axis from Hudson
Bay southwest across the United States with a north-south blocking
ridge to the west allows very cold air to plummet south through
nothing but barbed wire fencing over the Plains. The resulting
"signature" is often present when extreme cold devastates local
agriculture, especially when that industry was of major
importance.

Temperatures will "free-fall" starting Saturday night creating a
winter weather threat that will persists through much of the
week. Though initially dry, cold air nosing south into the CWA
will dance with warmer and moister marine air to set up a
deepening coastal trough. That will enhance rain chances and, when
combined with the colder temperatures which are expected to reach
a nadir Wednesday and Thursday, will up the chances for pockets
of wintry precip.

Used an NBM baseline for the forecast, realizing that there is
still a lot of uncertainty. Some of the models (like the NAM)
handle the colder temps better, and those have yet to come into
prime range. For now, the ECMWF and the NBM50 seem to be tracking
well. A bit concerning is that the lower end NBM probabilities (25
and 10 percent) which might be considered reasonable worst case
scenarios, take temps well below freezing for the coldest
nights/mornings. For now, however, we are looking at freezing
temps (around 32 degrees) for the Ranchlands Monday morning, a
light freeze across the northern tier and Starr Counties Tuesday
morning, and a light (possible hard) freeze for that same area
Wednesday morning along with a light freeze reaching Hidalgo,
Willacy, and northern Cameron Counties.


For us old-timers, the phrase "McFarland Signature" is an attention-getter! As some of you wrote about yesterday, once the NWS Brownsville office used that phrase, you knew that a heckuva cold blast was coming down into Texas. So to see reference to this again certainly raises a few eyebrows. Reference to that phrase also meant that it wouldn't be a one-day-and-done kind of thing but a more prolonged cold snap.

IMO the globals won't latch on well to the temps for next week until this weekend. We know what's coming per the ensembles and the general pattern set up. Now it's time to fine tune the temps and precip chances.


That's why it was pretty safe last week to lean on a big cold blast. The pattern certainly supports it. In addition to McFarland, more recent work by Furtado and others on CAO lined up when looking at lagged composites.

Old-fashioned pattern recognition (if you’re good at it) wins over model runs every time. This chess board was set in motion a week ago.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5594 Postby Wthrfan » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:13 am

Brent wrote:Icon snowing on the coast again :double:


Brent, looking like we will miss out this go around?
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5595 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:14 am

12z GFS has snow along I-10 (up to Austin) and then along the LA coast.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5596 Postby BradKingK » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:15 am

Ntxw wrote:
BradKingK wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
Patience my friend, let our I-10 corridor neighbors get some. We can squeeze out a few with some ratios, pretty close!


What about us tweeners I-10 and I-20? We're snow lovers, too.


Set ups like these favor the south for moisture, it's really cold up and down the layers. Tweeners, like the rest of us will be like Nebraska and Kansas, go for the low qpf ratio surprises. It will be powder.


Yes, I just didn't want us to be the forgotten men. We got our fair share in 2021, with about 12 total inches at my house. The original storm was 10 " plus another 2" a couple of days later.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5597 Postby MississippiWx » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:16 am

Not liking the GFS trends...hopefully it's on its own. Very suppressed look.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5598 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:17 am

MississippiWx wrote:Not liking the GFS trends...hopefully it's on its own. Very suppressed look.


Too northern stream dominant and it doesn't dig far enough west/south initially to draw up copious moisture.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5599 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:18 am

Think the Canadian might be a big storm run (compared to GFS) since it digs more.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#5600 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:19 am

Ntxw wrote:Think the Canadian might be a big storm run (compared to GFS) since it digs more.

I have also noticed very high model uncertainty for this weekend

What we do know is that extreme cold is coming

What we don't know is how cold we could get and if there will be snow involved
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