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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6781 Postby rw1984 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:52 pm

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rw1984 wrote:19z HRRR only goes out 18 hours on mine, but it pretty much drops the freezing rain for SETX and showing more snow.


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Unfortunately, it doesn't "drop freezing rain for SETX". It actually dropped snow totals again from the prior 18z run at 13z range (18 hours out).

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I was looking at the total freezing rain QPF and it shows none to marginal. The snow totals weren’t high, but they weren’t as suppressed to the coast as some previous runs.


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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6782 Postby TropicalTundra » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:52 pm

Seeing a few mPINGs out west from DFW (Jacksboro). That low level dry air isn’t going to last much longer.

I’m also at my max temp for the day which is 30. 10 degrees cooler than what the HRRR was showing for temps
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6783 Postby kassi » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:53 pm

Stratton23 wrote:NWS upped totals 2-4 inches for me , definitely more moisture on the radar than what mesoscale runs have shown

In Beaumont, NWS just updated from 1-2 tonight and new accumulations 2-4 tomorrow (11amish update) to 1-3 tonight and new accumulations 3-5 tomorrow.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6784 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:53 pm

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sphelps8681 wrote:Houston we have a problem. Jim Cantore is in Houston.


Yeah, we're safe now. He should go to Galveston or New Orleans for heavier snow



Wait a minute. Wait a doggone minute. Either your workers have hacked your account or this is the bi polar Wxman57 we saw about 7 years ago. For you newbies, there was a Winter years back when Wxman57 would make cold and warm forecasts. It was almost unreal. Lol
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6785 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:54 pm

rw1984 wrote:
txtwister78 wrote:
rw1984 wrote:19z HRRR only goes out 18 hours on mine, but it pretty much drops the freezing rain for SETX and showing more snow.


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Unfortunately, it doesn't "drop freezing rain for SETX". It actually dropped snow totals again from the prior 18z run at 13z range (18 hours out).

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/hrrr/tx/total_snow_10to1/1737399600/1737464400-TlMLuYDofMI.png

I was looking at the total freezing rain QPF and it shows none to marginal. The snow totals weren’t high, but they weren’t as suppressed to the coast as some previous runs.


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Ok..there's your freezing rain. Still on the HRRR though

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6786 Postby IcyTundra » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:00 pm

txtwister78 wrote:
rw1984 wrote:
txtwister78 wrote:
Unfortunately, it doesn't "drop freezing rain for SETX". It actually dropped snow totals again from the prior 18z run at 13z range (18 hours out).

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/hrrr/tx/total_snow_10to1/1737399600/1737464400-TlMLuYDofMI.png

I was looking at the total freezing rain QPF and it shows none to marginal. The snow totals weren’t high, but they weren’t as suppressed to the coast as some previous runs.


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Ok..there's your freezing rain. Still on the HRRR though

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/hrrr/tx/frzr_total/1737399600/1737464400-pNQFkz5929M.png


Most models disagree with the HRRR on freezing rain potential. Sleet is more likely imo.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6787 Postby IcyTundra » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:02 pm

Latest snow forecast from the NWS Houston forecasting office at 2:46 PM CST. I guess they aren't buying the HRRR.

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6788 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:04 pm

TropicalTundra wrote:Seeing a few mPINGs out west from DFW (Jacksboro). That low level dry air isn’t going to last much longer.

I’m also at my max temp for the day which is 30. 10 degrees cooler than what the HRRR was showing for temps

There it is, and mPing showing reports of accumulations on roads. That's what I was hoping to see out of that batch. Snow able to overcome the substantial dry level or that the dry layer is overdone, either way a positive sign. Not even the most aggressive model, RGEM shows that snow accumulating in N TX for the whole event.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6789 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:04 pm

TropicalTundra wrote:Seeing a few mPINGs out west from DFW (Jacksboro). That low level dry air isn’t going to last much longer.

I’m also at my max temp for the day which is 30. 10 degrees cooler than what the HRRR was showing for temps


Looking at profiles, the DGZ is quite large and closer to the surface than typically is, just very dry at the lower levels.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6790 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:05 pm

NWS Austin/San Antonio forecast discussion. Holding with winter weather products (warnings/advisories) and mentions cloud cover potentially helping to moisten columns above which may begin winter weather a little earlier with perhaps a bit more sleet/snow than freezing rain. So at least further east as South Texas Storms also mentioned, the cloud cover arriving faster than models had may offer some clues about the transition to snow into the Houston metro.


.SHORT TERM...
(Tonight through Tuesday night)
Issued at 236 PM CST Mon Jan 20 2025

- Winter Storm Warnings and Winter Weather Advisories are in effect
tonight through Tuesday

- Accumulating snow, sleet, and ice will make travel difficult and
inadvisable within the Winter Storm Warning area

- Cold Weather Advisory in effect through Wednesday morning with
hazardous temperatures and wind chill values. Protect People, Pets,
Plants, and Pipes from the cold weather

Cloud cover has developed much quicker, nearly 6 hours ahead of what
hi res guidance was indicating. This has acted to allow the
atmosphere to respond and moisten perhaps a bit quicker than
previously thought. Very light echoes are noted on regional radar
imagery early this afternoon to the south and east of San Antonio.
For now, this is not hitting the ground and likely remaining virga,
which is precip that evaporates in the sub-cloud layer before
reaching the surface. It is likely that it will take several hours
before any precip starts to make it to the surface. Latest 12Z CAMs
and global guidance, in additional to the NBM have continued to
advertise a very messy winter weather event unfolding this evening
through the overnight hours. One of the more recent trends is for
precip to end a bit sooner, likely out of our area as early as 12-
15Z Tuesday. This has acted to limited totals somewhat, and we will
continue to advertise between 0.5 and 1.5" of snow/sleet for
Austin/San Marcos areas and points east to La Grange. Some freezing
rain could briefly mix in, but primarily snow and sleet is expected
in these areas.

Further south, the trend for perhaps more snow and sleet rather than
freezing rain and ice has increased, but freezing rain and sleet
will initially be a problem along and south of the I-10/Highway 90
corridor this evening. With temperatures a few degrees colder this
afternoon than previously forecast, due in part to the earlier cloud
cover, freezing drizzle/rain may start as early as 5 or 6pm this
evening. In any matter, with a very dry dendritic growth zone in the
-10 to -20C layer, precip will be highly dependent on temperatures
between the sfc and 700mb. There is still a subtle warm nose at the
700-750mb level, which will result in more freezing drizzle and rain
earlier on, mainly before midnight. After that, most precip should
come in the form of sleet/snow but some freezing drizzle may still
mix in. We expect between a trace to .10" of ice accumulation south
of the I-10 Corridor.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6791 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:08 pm

Amarillo is about to get pounded, 20F there and the squall line is intense coming in. Behind that front it's low 10s and single digits.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6792 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:11 pm

Ntxw wrote:
TropicalTundra wrote:Seeing a few mPINGs out west from DFW (Jacksboro). That low level dry air isn’t going to last much longer.

I’m also at my max temp for the day which is 30. 10 degrees cooler than what the HRRR was showing for temps


Looking at profiles, the DGZ is quite large and closer to the surface than typically is, just very dry at the lower levels.

Models all show 850mb humidity at 30-40%, so for them to get snow gives us hope later tonight as that's drier than models have us tonight when they show us dry.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6793 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:13 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
TropicalTundra wrote:Seeing a few mPINGs out west from DFW (Jacksboro). That low level dry air isn’t going to last much longer.

I’m also at my max temp for the day which is 30. 10 degrees cooler than what the HRRR was showing for temps


Looking at profiles, the DGZ is quite large and closer to the surface than typically is, just very dry at the lower levels.

Models all show 850mb humidity at 30-40%, so for them to get snow gives us hope later tonight as that's drier than models have us tonight when they show us dry.


Pulling for that Lake-enhanced/effect :lol:.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6794 Postby Brent » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:13 pm

Ntxw wrote:Amarillo is about to get pounded, 20F there and the squall line is intense coming in. Behind that front it's low 10s and single digits.


That's... Interesting. Was that forecast? I mean I know there's a little wave tonight up here before the storm blows up in Houston but snow squalls didn't really enter my mind :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6795 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:14 pm

Ntxw wrote:Amarillo is about to get pounded, 20F there and the squall line is intense coming in. Behind that front it's low 10s and single digits.

That shortwave although dry is intense.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6796 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:15 pm

Brent wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Amarillo is about to get pounded, 20F there and the squall line is intense coming in. Behind that front it's low 10s and single digits.


That's... Interesting. Was that forecast? I mean I know there's a little wave tonight up here but snow squalls didn't really enter my mind :lol:


It's a very small mesoscale feature, it's just so cold you can ring some good totals up there. Plus they also have elevation. It's definitely snowing above with the upper disturbance.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6797 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:18 pm

Just updated by NWS offices.

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6798 Postby Gotwood » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:21 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:
TropicalTundra wrote:Seeing a few mPINGs out west from DFW (Jacksboro). That low level dry air isn’t going to last much longer.

I’m also at my max temp for the day which is 30. 10 degrees cooler than what the HRRR was showing for temps

There it is, and mPing showing reports of accumulations on roads. That's what I was hoping to see out of that batch. Snow able to overcome the substantial dry level or that the dry layer is overdone, either way a positive sign. Not even the most aggressive model, RGEM shows that snow accumulating in N TX for the whole event.

Pretty close to my area I will update if anything falls from the sky.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6799 Postby Jag95 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:26 pm

Ntxw wrote:Amarillo is about to get pounded, 20F there and the squall line is intense coming in. Behind that front it's low 10s and single digits.


Might get interesting in a few minutes. :D
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6800 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:28 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Brent wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Amarillo is about to get pounded, 20F there and the squall line is intense coming in. Behind that front it's low 10s and single digits.


That's... Interesting. Was that forecast? I mean I know there's a little wave tonight up here but snow squalls didn't really enter my mind :lol:


It's a very small mesoscale feature, it's just so cold you can ring some good totals up there. Plus they also have elevation. It's definitely snowing above with the upper disturbance.

It will be interesting to watch how long that squall maintains itself. Unlikely it leaves the Panhandle intact but if it does that would be another good sign, it is much more intense than it was modeled to be.
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