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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#81 Postby Steve » Sun Jul 13, 2025 6:32 pm

Stratton23 wrote:still early in the game, very strong ridge over the SE US, meaning this is likely going to get pushed towards the western gulf , but texas is certainly in play as well, especially if that subtropical ridge keeps nosing into the gulf, i also do not see any evidence in the models of a big shortwave/ trough coming down to pick this up in the models, so this may be a case of generally weak steering currents as it gets close to shore somewhere


There’s not going to be much steering except the flow around the nose of the high. Where it is relative to the push will determine. A farther north track takes it toward SELA but probably with a westerly component at landfall. Farther south and it would be a much stronger storm that would affect SWLA or UTC. It’s going down this week which we haven’t seen much in July on the Gulf Coast.
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#82 Postby BobHarlem » Sun Jul 13, 2025 6:46 pm

8pm held at 20% which is probably wise considering how it is now out there. I do think the NHC is in wait and see mode.

Convection shifted to the normal seabreeze activity on the IR, however you can see the flow on the radar moving sse along the east part of Florida (2 radars being out notwithstanding)

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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#83 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:37 pm

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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#84 Postby BobHarlem » Sun Jul 13, 2025 9:50 pm

18z Euro ensembles:
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0z icon started, it shows a low moving over Florida and into the Gulf just north of Tampa (so far 1010mb when it starts to get into the Gulf).

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Satellite wise, doesn't look as impressive as it did earlier today. The area east of St. Augustine (and due north of Grand Bahama), ~29.3N 78.8W, seems the most suspicious still, however NHC has the X a bit north of it. Time will tell. Orlando is about to get a good line of storms move in from the north (which is unusual)
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#85 Postby Stratton23 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:41 pm

ICON goes into Lousiana, but again its very early in the game and easily subject to change, but one thing that caught my eye on that run was that as soon as “ dexter” made landfall west of new orleans, steering currents almost completely collapse on that run, takes nearly 4 days to clear the state of louisiana, that’s extremely slow
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#86 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:22 pm

Looks like the CMC is now on board with the idea of this developing into something (it now has a mbar reading instead of being some vague cyclonic feature). Also looks to be a very small system that heads toward the New Orleans vicinity.
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#87 Postby Stratton23 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:32 pm

Just a personal gut feeling here, I feel like this is going to develop into Dexter and becoming a border line cat 1, i just dont trust this disturbance or the globals handeling it well, of course i could be wrong, but i think this one might surprise folks
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#88 Postby sasha_B » Mon Jul 14, 2025 1:05 am

Stratton23 wrote:Just a personal gut feeling here, I feel like this is going to develop into Dexter and becoming a border line cat 1, i just dont trust this disturbance or the globals handeling it well, of course i could be wrong, but i think this one might surprise folks


It's up to 10/30 per the NHC's 07.14/06z Tropical Weather Outlook, and the most recent deterministic model runs (with the exception of the GFS) show a more well-defined low forming in 3~5 days. I'm with you on this one; I didn't really buy the 'hints' on the models last week, but now that there's an identifiable disturbance & decent support across multiple models for further development, it's looking like a more plausible candidate for "Dexter".
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#89 Postby Hurricane2022 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 1:06 am

sasha_B wrote:
Stratton23 wrote:Just a personal gut feeling here, I feel like this is going to develop into Dexter and becoming a border line cat 1, i just dont trust this disturbance or the globals handeling it well, of course i could be wrong, but i think this one might surprise folks


It's up to 10/30 per the NHC's 07.14/06z Tropical Weather Outlook, and the most recent deterministic model runs (with the exception of the GFS) show a more well-defined low forming in 3~5 days. I'm with you on this one; I didn't really buy the 'hints' on the models last week, but now that there's an identifiable disturbance & decent support across multiple models for further development, it's looking like a more plausible candidate for "Dexter".

1. Northeastern Gulf:
A trough of low pressure located offshore the Atlantic coast of
northern Florida is producing disorganized showers and thunderstorms
across portions of Florida, the northwestern Bahamas and adjacent
Atlantic waters. This system is forecast to move westward across
Florida during the next day or so, and into the northeastern Gulf by
late Tuesday. Environmental conditions appear favorable enough to
support some gradual development of this system while it moves
westward to west-northwestward across the northeastern and
north-central portions of the Gulf during the middle to latter part
of this week. Regardless of development, heavy rainfall could
produce localized flash flooding over portions of Florida and the
north-central Gulf coast through the middle to latter portion of
this week.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...10 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...low...30 percent.
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#90 Postby Hurricane2022 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 1:30 am

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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#91 Postby Nimbus » Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:26 am

Official forecast said its currently off the coast of north Florida but scanning the buoys the lowest surface pressure is further south near Sebastian Creek. Broad shallow area of falling pressures though. A center forming further south might have more time to develop without the proximity to land and drier air issues.

https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page. ... tion=SIPF1
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#92 Postby BobHarlem » Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:50 am

6z icon has gone up a bit, but still around SE Louisiana
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Euro ensembles went back down overnight, and the gfs/euro still are keeping it weak.

The biggest difference is how early things get going on the icon vs everything else. Canadian is weaker than the iocn because it doesn't get going as quickly when it enters the Gulf from Florida.
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#93 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:42 am

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
800 AM EDT Mon Jul 14 2025

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of America:

Northeastern Gulf:
An area of low pressure located offshore the east coast of Florida
is producing disorganized showers and thunderstorms this morning.
This disturbance is forecast to move westward across Florida during
the next day or so, and into the northeastern Gulf by late Tuesday.
Environmental conditions appear favorable and some gradual
development of this system is possible while it moves westward to
west-northwestward across the northeastern and north-central
portions of the Gulf during the middle to latter part of this week.
Regardless of development, heavy rainfall could produce localized
flash flooding over portions of Florida and the north-central Gulf
coast through the middle to latter portion of this week.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...10 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...low...30 percent.

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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#94 Postby GCANE » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:05 am

Convection may not look pretty but the low-level vort is deepening and shear is dropping.
Getting some well-defined rotation on MIMIC-TPW now.
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#95 Postby GCANE » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:11 am

IMHO, steering currents will continue to push this farther south than what ICON is currently showing.
Likely this will go over the top end of the Loop Current where CAPE ranges from 6500 to 8000 during the day.
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#96 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:15 am

GCANE wrote:Convection may not look pretty but the low-level vort is deepening and shear is dropping.
Getting some well-defined rotation on MIMIC-TPW now.


Do you have the MIMIC-TPW animation? Members may want to see it.
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#97 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:23 am

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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#98 Postby Tailgater33 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:36 am

GCANE wrote:IMHO, steering currents will continue to push this farther south than what ICON is currently showing.
Likely this will go over the top end of the Loop Current where CAPE ranges from 6500 to 8000 during the day.

Yes now that we are seeing a more define center, we will be able to track it better if it stays partially exposed.
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#99 Postby MGC » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:37 am

GCANE wrote:IMHO, steering currents will continue to push this farther south than what ICON is currently showing.
Likely this will go over the top end of the Loop Current where CAPE ranges from 6500 to 8000 during the day.


I'm thinking the same. Should get some decent reports from land stations later today as the disturbance passes overhead.......MGC
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Re: Area of Interest in NE Gulf

#100 Postby tropicwatch » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:45 am

cycloneye wrote:
GCANE wrote:Convection may not look pretty but the low-level vort is deepening and shear is dropping.
Getting some well-defined rotation on MIMIC-TPW now.


Do you have the MIMIC-TPW animation? Members may want to see it.


http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/mtpw2/webAnims/tpw_nrl_colors/natl/mimictpw_natl_latest.gif
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