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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#501 Postby al78 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:19 pm

How resiliant is the infrastructure on Jamaica to hurricanes in general? I appreciate very little other than solid concrete structures are going to withstand cat 5 winds. I'm wondering if Jamaica increased its resiliance after Gilbert in a similar manner to how Florida upped its building codes after Andrew.
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#502 Postby Sciencerocks » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:20 pm

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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#503 Postby kevin » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:43 pm

First pass found 991.3 mb extrapolated.
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#504 Postby Beef Stew » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:45 pm

I’ll preface this by saying: this has the potential to be a nightmare situation for Jamaica, and I hope that any and all preparation is being made for what very well may end up being the most intense landfall on the island in recorded history. I’m hoping that this isn’t the case, and that all in Melissa’s path are as sheltered as possible in the coming days.

Meteorologically speaking, I find few things more fascinating than watching the current evolution of Melissa: one of a cyclone that’s been continuously decoupled and disrupted by shear that finally finds a pocket of environmental favorability. As we’re seeing in real time, the limitations appear to be fully off now, and, barring something unexpected, I don’t see anything in the near future that is going to put much of a ceiling on this storm from becoming another historic WCar monster. If there’s anything that’s been a central theme this season, it’s that every significant hurricane has exploded when given the chance- and I suspect the RI we’re going to see from Melissa will be something potentially extraordinary. Godspeed to all in her path.
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#505 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:45 pm

Melissa has that look Milton had last year before it went nuclear... my guess is the HAFS estimates were accurate. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a hurricane before midnight.
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#506 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:47 pm

The big question is...when is it really go time? At some point, it's likely we're going to see outrageous intensification.
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#507 Postby weeniepatrol » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:49 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:The big question is...when is it really go time? At some point, it's likely we're going to see outrageous intensification.


Probably right now. It’s already a 3-4 mb drop in just a couple of hours. We will of course likely see even faster pressure drops soon, but even this current rate qualifies.
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#508 Postby Keldeo1997 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:53 pm

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Eye drop coming though....
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#509 Postby aspen » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:54 pm

Welp. There’s a tight inner core already.

Jamaica needs to prepare for the worst-case scenario immediately. I can believe the government briefing was trying to downplay a likely Cat 4/5 landfall.
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#510 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:57 pm

Amazing how quickly this thing started taking off when the shear dropped. Very bad sign.

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#511 Postby WaveBreaking » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:59 pm

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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#512 Postby ljmac75 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:03 pm

Pretty good estimate at 5 PM, 995 mbar, a little bit of deepening since then.
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#513 Postby Woofde » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:03 pm

aspen wrote:Welp. There’s a tight inner core already.

Jamaica needs to prepare for the worst-case scenario immediately. I can believe the government briefing was trying to downplay a likely Cat 4/5 landfall.
Yeah it's off to the races for Melissa now I fear. That gradient is pretty tight and could get going fast. A slowdown would require shear to return which is only expected to continue relaxing.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#514 Postby weeniepatrol » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:07 pm

VDM:

D. 993 mb
E. 225 deg 3 kt
F. OPEN NW
G. E17/36/18
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#515 Postby cycloneye » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:15 pm

Oh boy, Jamaica. A prayer for them.

 https://x.com/burgwx/status/1981855179982139877

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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#516 Postby Kazmit » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:17 pm

aspen wrote:Welp. There’s a tight inner core already.

Jamaica needs to prepare for the worst-case scenario immediately. I can believe the government briefing was trying to downplay a likely Cat 4/5 landfall.

I’m guessing that’s because of how uncertain the track forecast has been the last few days. Still, at this point it’s pretty damn likely we do see a landfall.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#517 Postby Teban54 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:24 pm

cycloneye wrote:Oh boy, Jamaica. A prayer for them.

https://x.com/burgwx/status/1981855179982139877

I'll also add that:
  • A few more recent high-profile storms since Gilbert were originally expected to hit Jamaica but ultimately dodged it, most notably Ivan and Beryl. Even among weather fans in the US context, this has sometimes created the impression of a "Jamaica shield". I wouldn't be surprised if the same happened locally.
  • As seen in the tweet, most major hurricanes passing close to Jamaica move east to west. But Melissa is now expected to move SW to NE, putting the strongest quadrant for winds and surge directly through the island.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#518 Postby Nimbus » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:25 pm

weeniepatrol wrote:VDM:

D. 993 mb
E. 225 deg 3 kt
F. OPEN NW
G. E17/36/18


That fix was above 16N again 8pm update could say its almost stationary or will they say its moving NNW at 3 knots?

Edit to add the next recon mission looks to be flying in at this angle so maybe the tail radar already established a track change?

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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#519 Postby cheezyWXguy » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:26 pm

Guess my earlier guess was too bold after all, Melissa is not yet a hurricane. It won’t make much difference though, that threshold will be crossed overnight and beyond that there won’t be anything to hold Melissa back. Glad it’s the weekend because I don’t know how much sleep I’m going to get watching this over the next couple days.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#520 Postby zzzh » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:38 pm

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Still needs to work on the structure
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