WWBB crash

[Guest]

Thank you, Stephanie. Your avatar looks like one of my wife and I's three cats, although he wouldn't be caught dead in a Santa hat.

[Stormsfury]

no need for this hostility. i sense that some of you just despise wwbb and prob me for posting there for 3 years. and i mean pure hatred. save the hatred for osama or saddam because theres no need to get hostile over weather boards. such a small part of life. i say, we both exist and thats it.

Exactly ... there's absolutely no need for the hostilities, both are very good sources for information ... At times, the trolls that reside on WWBB make what would be an insightful and technical met. discussion a free-for-all, especially when the few smart@$$es incide ... you know who.

Rob makes a good point that there are SOME individuals that absolutely hate WWBB for the wars. Some individuals hate Storm2k for the "friendly" atmosphere ... that's their choice. Post on the boards that you like and read what you want ...

The board war agenda is quite old ...

actually lindaloo, new members get warm welcomes unless they ask how much for philly 10 million times lol. seriously, thats the kind of new members that get flamed. ive seen those kind of members come on here and get dissed as well, as they deserved to be. no prob with asking it once but asking it every day is too much. usually if anyone asks reasonable questions, they are answered in a nice manner. i think you guys just think of the flames when the vast majority of posts are anything but. there is a big difference between an arguement and all out flame war.

i didnt say storm2k is just a trop board but if you look at member locations, a majority are from the south and post the most (wx posts)during cane season. wwbb is also not a total winter board. in fact, until this past winter storm, the record number of people was set with hurricane issy back in sept. but each board has their season of most posters.

Isabel was headed for the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast and was at one-point a CAT 5, which brought out a TON of people on every weather board, WWBB, Storm2k, and even TWC.

Rob, I know exactly what you're talking about ... I enjoy seeing a good heated met. debate (especially between DT, and MT ... which have become classics, but they get outta hand at times ... and then, in general fashion, some of the ones that add absolutely NO value to a post, but to only further fuel the fire, it's total chaos ... I like a good, and very heated met. debate ... I don't want a side order of spinach to go along with it.

But make no mistake, the best technical knowledge of weather will come from Storm2k and Wright-Weather BB ... hands down.

SF

[chadtm80]

I dont sence that anyone in this thread Despises or hates WWBB.. I think they might despise some actions and some words from some of the wwbb members though..

[Stormsfury]

I dont sence that anyone in this thread Despises or hates WWBB.. I think they might despise some actions and some words from some of the wwbb members though..

Bingo

[wrkh99]

I like both . It just seems like people act like they have just run out of prozac at wrightweather .

And then again there are some mighty big egos over there

[Mr Bob]

Wright-weather bulliten board is what's wrong with our profession today. It is the symbol of un-professionalisim and ignorance in meteorology that has no place in this line of work. Debating is fine to me, but when it becomes personally attacking, thats where the line should get drawn.

And I pitty those who find that sort of immature, high school level activity "fun". They need to get a life and a clue.

I have been in Op Met for a very long time...I am fortunate now to be the only one where I am and it makes life much easier. Pro mets are an egotisitical arrogant bunch. You have to be, to put forth an opinion that you expect to be accepted by the group of people you are "performing" for. That is why WWBB and ne.weather have their dark underbellies. Everyone is trying to be the first to make a forecast or to point out why your forecast will be wrong. This is no different than operational met shops across the country. It is why you see this behavior on WWBB and other places not heavily moderated.

Having said that, I still believe WWBB is poorly moderated. Poorly moderated and heavily moderated are two different things, IMO. I have found two threads today which have given me a deep sense of disgust. A college met student absolutely slandered a professional met in one thread. In the other thread, an NWS forecaster was absolutely correct in venting on the amount of bashing that "hobbyists" unload on various NWS offices and forecasters. He was very correct in his assessment. Perhaps the folks who own WWBB ought to have a little more care in what they do. Nevertheless, the interplay there is something that a lot of mets are used to and keep coming back for.

Storm2k is much more like a high school clique where WWBB is more of an unruly kindergarten class. If you are not a part of it (storm2k), then it is hard to get to be a part of it. It requires a lot of time to be a part of it. It is also a little softer on the edges whereas more people are ready to jump when each run of the model comes out at WWBB. Some of this ties back to TWC days and some of this ties back to the fact that this was mainly a tropical board.

I feel that it is the difference in opinion that makes a discussion more appealling. I am far more inclined to respond something that I feel does not capture the whole picture or the appropriate picture, IMO, than I am to just agree with someone's post. In heavily moderating, you have a tendency to lose that diveristy of opinion because it can get a little hairy at times. Not everyone is mature enough to handle it appropriately. You just have to figure out where to draw the line. Unfortunately, WWBB allows the baiter to go on incessantly and that is where the big mistake is (oh and the ability to have more than one user name for the same IP address!!!).

I personally like storm2k and I think with time and continued WWBB crashes and hate fests, that this will become the board of choice. But I would say that while it is important to keep an appropriate atmosphere it is also good to have diversity. Just something to consider.

[RNS]

Wright-weather bulliten board is what's wrong with our profession today. It is the symbol of un-professionalisim and ignorance in meteorology that has no place in this line of work. Debating is fine to me, but when it becomes personally attacking, thats where the line should get drawn.

And I pitty those who find that sort of immature, high school level activity "fun". They need to get a life and a clue.

I have been in Op Met for a very long time...I am fortunate now to be the only one where I am and it makes life much easier. Pro mets are an egotisitical arrogant bunch. You have to be, to put forth an opinion that you expect to be accepted by the group of people you are "performing" for. That is why WWBB and ne.weather have their dark underbellies. Everyone is trying to be the first to make a forecast or to point out why your forecast will be wrong. This is no different than operational met shops across the country. It is why you see this behavior on WWBB and other places not heavily moderated.

Having said that, I still believe WWBB is poorly moderated. Poorly moderated and heavily moderated are two different things, IMO. I have found two threads today which have given me a deep sense of disgust. A college met student absolutely slandered a professional met in one thread. In the other thread, an NWS forecaster was absolutely correct in venting on the amount of bashing that "hobbyists" unload on various NWS offices and forecasters. He was very correct in his assessment. Perhaps the folks who own WWBB ought to have a little more care in what they do. Nevertheless, the interplay there is something that a lot of mets are used to and keep coming back for.

Storm2k is much more like a high school clique where WWBB is more of an unruly kindergarten class. If you are not a part of it (storm2k), then it is hard to get to be a part of it. It requires a lot of time to be a part of it. It is also a little softer on the edges whereas more people are ready to jump when each run of the model comes out at WWBB. Some of this ties back to TWC days and some of this ties back to the fact that this was mainly a tropical board.

I feel that it is the difference in opinion that makes a discussion more appealling. I am far more inclined to respond something that I feel does not capture the whole picture or the appropriate picture, IMO, than I am to just agree with someone's post. In heavily moderating, you have a tendency to lose that diveristy of opinion because it can get a little hairy at times. Not everyone is mature enough to handle it appropriately. You just have to figure out where to draw the line. Unfortunately, WWBB allows the baiter to go on incessantly and that is where the big mistake is (oh and the ability to have more than one user name for the same IP address!!!).

I personally like storm2k and I think with time and continued WWBB crashes and hate fests, that this will become the board of choice. But I would say that while it is important to keep an appropriate atmosphere it is also good to have diversity. Just something to consider.

Very well said Bob...excellent job. I completely agree with you...The "hate fests" are rediculous...we are supposted to be professionals and at times we do not act accordingly. I must say however i am also guilty of getting out of hand with obscene language (though I usually won/t go out of my way to personally attack someone that has a differing opinion...like mnay others will over at WWBB). overall...i try to keep a professional Attitude and refrain from getting carried away.

The comments made by various hobbiests in regard to the National Weather Service forecasts (and forecasters...as well as many other independent meteorologists) when personally or professionally deforming can be viewed as hostile...and appropriate action should be taken to mitigate such behavior by individuals partaking in that activity (which is where we tie in the degree of moderating).

I/m not currently with the National weather service...but In my opinion the forecasters which make up the organization are without a doubt the finest group of professional meteorologists assembled in the world to date. their acheivements are second to none and every forecaster is deserving of tremendous respect. I do not mean to be inflamatory when i say this but many hobbiests can get out of control when a forecast is not to their liking...myself (and many others) have experienced it. Although in all actuallity...it is us who are qualified to make such decisions.

There are several great hobbiests on this board...and two of which who IMO can reason on the level of any professional...those two being...Stormsfury and donsutherland (WEATHER53 also does an excellent job with the long-range). they as well are deserving of recognition for thier extensive knowledge and skill.

The point which (I think) erica is trying to make is the fact that we are professionals and should conduct ourselves as such.

[chadtm80]

Some of this ties back to TWC days and some of this ties back to the fact that this was mainly a tropical board.

Only reason we are know as "mainly" a tropical board is because people keep saying that, and it discourages winter fanatics from giving us a look see at times. Being a Tropical only site was never our intention. This last tropical season was our first real Tropical season and we worked hard to make it a Great Tropical location to come discuss the wonders of the Tropics. This winter weather season is our first "real" winter weather season.. The board did open to the public on october of last year, but obviously wasn't much of a season for us.. That time was used to get things running and to get the word out about us.. Now here we are 1 year later and almost 1600 members later and we are trying to get our first "real" winter weather season going..

People due mostly know us for the Tropics, but thats just because thats the only season we have been through so far.. Were not just about Tropical weather here.. Hearing everyone say that though, does tell me that we did a great Job this past cane season then and we accomplished what we wanted to do for the 2003 tropical season Tropics are over now though.. Time to move on to the winter!! So help me by not spreading the nasty rumor that were only or "mainly" a tropical board and let everyone know we are a full weather board

[mf_dolphin]

Just for some of the newer members. We have absolutely no problem with a good ehated debate. Just check out some of the political threads in the "Off-topic" area. All that we've ever asked is that peope conduct themselves in a manner as if they were face to face. We have a varied age group and we try to keep the profanity to a minimum. Other than that, professional disagreements are welcome and encouraged. Debate and differing views are a great way for everyone here to learn.

As far as the board war...it's really old. There has never been a war as far as we're concerned. There's plenty of room on the net for everyone. Thanks for the rational discussion everyone and once again welcome!

[wrkh99]

The Snow Nazi himself . WOW

[RNS]

actually lindaloo, new members get warm welcomes unless they ask how much for philly 10 million times lol. seriously, thats the kind of new members that get flamed. ive seen those kind of members come on here and get dissed as well, as they deserved to be. no prob with asking it once but asking it every day is too much. usually if anyone asks reasonable questions, they are answered in a nice manner. i think you guys just think of the flames when the vast majority of posts are anything but. there is a big difference between an arguement and all out flame war.

i didnt say storm2k is just a trop board but if you look at member locations, a majority are from the south and post the most (wx posts)during cane season. wwbb is also not a total winter board. in fact, until this past winter storm, the record number of people was set with hurricane issy back in sept. but each board has their season of most posters.

there/s nothing I dislike MORE than that.

[StormCrazyIowan]

I honestly do not know if I am signed up at WWBB or not- if I had signed up it was before the big comp. crash I had in May.....curiosity tells me to check it out, but Storm2K will always be my home!

Rob, I don't hate you! I don't even know you all that well so there is no way I could! So you post on WWBB....no biggie to me, there is no reason why we can't all get along! (Oops, better back off on that, my Pleasantville side is coming out!!!)

Yes, we don't have flame wars, but that is the way I like it!! Trust me on this though, we DO have our differences of opinions, they are the spice of life! Things can get quite heated- I know, I've been there, but I try to avoid the heated areas because I know my temper and I don't want to share that side of me- I'm sure you know what they say about those fiery redheads! LMAO

So, whether you are a WWBB'er who just posts here when they crash, or maybe more occasionally, or whatever the circumstance....you are always welcome here! I for one am very proud of our happy atmosphere and will defend it tooth and nail!! LOL, we are guilty as charged about the clique thing, but we are always ready for a new addition!!

With that novel stated, enjoy, learn and have fun, that's what this is REALLY all about!!

[LMolineux]

I Agree the Line
"HOW MUCH FOR PHILLY" needs to be burried and stoped.
But WWBB is full of people tryign to out do each other which keeps it seriously competitive and cutthroat. IMO Storm2k is more friendlier and more civil. But for tons of quick fast information WWBB has got it in its corner but for better discussions without the bickering Storm2k is the place to be.

[Anonymous]

HUH?

[ColdFront77]

Rob, I also enjoy corresponding with you in the Storm2K Chatroom and also enjoy reading your posts her on this message board. I do frequent WWBB, but don't usually have much to post.


There shouldn't be a difference in the way people act from the notheastern U.S. and the southeastern and southern U.S. We are here to discuss the weather, not just the tropics, but winter, severe and discuss other issues in the off topic forum together with the common interest in meteorology.

I will never understand, (and I am sure others, too), why being rude to fellow members is "the right thing to do." At times the 'slightest thing' mentioned on WWBB is followed by an attack.