SUPREME COURT destroys 1st amendment

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#61 Postby GalvestonDuck » Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:55 am

rainstorm wrote:nope, groups are comprised of individuals


And individual voices should be heard. Not money-hungry, brainwashed groups of lobbyists who pay a politician to be their voice.
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#62 Postby pojo » Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:58 pm

The Fore Fathers would be rolling over in their graves if they found out what the govt sleezebags are doing right now!
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yep

#63 Postby rainstorm » Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:27 pm

Small Donors Favor GOP; Fat Cats Favor Democrats

Republicans have long raised more than Democrats in donations of so-called hard money, which come from individuals and political action committees and are limited in size. But Democrats made a push in the 1990s to narrow the gap by raising corporate and union donations aggressively. The GOP also raised lots of soft money.

With that gone, Republicans enjoy an instant advantage.

The Republican National Committee and its Senate and House counterparts together raised $173 million in hard money through the first 10 months of the year, compared to just $75 million for the three national Democrat committees.

Bush has already raised more than $100 million for his re-election, compared with the top Democrat presidential fund-raiser, Howard Dean, who had about $25 million at the end of September.

"Today's ruling breaks the Democrats' back," National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Tom Reynolds boasted.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe disagreed and said his push to enlist more small donors is paying off. DNC has gone from 400,000 direct-mail donors to more than 1 million over the past several months and has eliminated its debt.

"I'm sitting here with $10 million in the bank," McAuliffe said. "We have transformed the DNC from a soft-money committee to a hard-money committee."

McAuliffe said he intended to raise $185 million for get-out-the-vote drives and other activities in presidential swing states. That's the same amount DNC had to back 2000 nominee Al Gore, but now it must do without the $105 million in soft money it had then.

Special-interest groups also must operate under new rules. In the month before a primary and the two months before an election, they cannot use corporate or union money for ads targeting candidates.

NRA Won't Be Muzzled
the more you fool around with the 1st amendment, the more convoluted things become
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#64 Postby rainstorm » Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:38 pm

pojo wrote:The Fore Fathers would be rolling over in their graves if they found out what the govt sleezebags are doing right now!



excellent pojo!! AGAIN, great men wrote these words:


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "

congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech. isnt that just what the congress did? you see, this is just how easily rights can be taken away. incumbents just protected themselves from criticism 60 days before an election. sleezebags is too kind, pojo!! if congress wanted to protect themselves and make their re-election at least 99% they shouls have went through the legal process of amending the constituion, so it would read that certain groups can have their political speech stifled.
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#65 Postby WXBUFFJIM » Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:41 pm

I think we as American people have freedom of speech and freedom in general. Taking that away is none sense.

Jim
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#66 Postby Guest » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:36 pm

*Looks and reads this thread and says to myself. "No wonder i stay out of these debates"* LOL

BTW Helen you never did answer Marshall??? LOL

I will quickly add that i think the part about the special intrest groups was well over do!
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#67 Postby mf_dolphin » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:42 pm

rainstorm wrote:Incumbents just protected themselves from criticism 60 days before an election.


I see you still haven't read the ruling. Your statement is absolutely a load of unabashed bull! Read the decision and then use your mind instead of mimicking someone else's garbage...

Harry, the answer is no, she still hasn't answered the question! LOL
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#68 Postby OtherHD » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:02 pm

Here Helen, just for you!!

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Blast it, it didn't work the way I wanted. :( I will work on it. :wink:
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#69 Postby rainstorm » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:04 pm

with hillary as his VP!!
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#70 Postby chadtm80 » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:08 pm

There is a reason for that mf.. lol
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#71 Postby george_r_1961 » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:08 pm

Great men founded this country....great knuckleheads are screwing it up. I dont think anyone can argue with that.
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#72 Postby mf_dolphin » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:10 pm

Personally I would love for the Dems to field a Dean-Clinton ticket! I would love to see her butt kicked by GW! :-)
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#73 Postby southerngale » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:11 pm

OtherHD wrote:Here Helen, just for you!!

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Blast it, it didn't work the way I wanted. :( I will work on it. :wink:


I'll leave the country first........hehe :lol:
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#74 Postby chadtm80 » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:17 pm

Personally I would love for the Dems to field a Dean-Clinton ticket! I would love to see her butt kicked by GW!

You and me both.. I wanted her to run sooooooooooooooo bad.. GW would have mopped the floor with her sorry butt
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