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The OFFICAL "Throwin' in the Towel" Thread!

#1 Postby azsnowman » Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:06 pm

Have you lost hope on this upcoming winter like I have......here's the place to cry the blues, there's a towel to dry your eyes here to "LOL!"

After reading this NOAA Outlook, I've totally given up on ANY snow this year, snowfall to date 0.00000000", NORMAL snowfall to date, 32"....here's the outlook, get the towel ready "LOL!"

December, January and February, NOAA forecasters are calling for the likelihood of above-average precipitation over Texas, Oklahoma, Washington, northern Oregon and northern Idaho, while below-normal precipitation is likely over Florida, southern Georgia, and California. Meanwhile, above normal temperatures are now likely over the central U.S. from Texas to Wisconsin, including almost all of the Great Plains. Above-normal temperatures are also expected for the southwest U.S., including all of New Mexico and Arizona; and West Coast states of California, Oregon, and Washington, and for Alaska and Hawaii. For other parts of the nation, the winter will have equal chance of above-, below- or near-normal temperatures and precipitation.

NOAA forecasters continue to expect the existing multi-year drought conditions in much of the interior West and parts of the Central Plains to continue for at least the next three months. Some improvement is likely, mostly in some areas in the north-central Plains and parts of the West. In many areas in the inter-mountain region, from Arizona to Montana and the western Great Plains, drought will likely persist and contribute to a lingering, long-term water shortage. (Click NOAA image for larger view of forecast winter precipitation for the USA. Click here for high resolution version, which is a large file. Please credit “NOAA.)

“Conditions in the central Pacific will not play a strong role in the winter weather patterns over the U.S.,” said Edward O’Lenic, meteorologist at the NOAA Climate Prediction Center. “While last winter’s jet stream patterns were relatively persistent, leading to cooler than average conditions in the eastern U.S., this winter we see more frequent jet stream swings, resulting in more variable weather patterns and regimes lasting from one to several weeks,” he added.

Today’s winter outlook update expands the area of warmer-than-normal expected conditions from the South and West to include all of the central U.S., but excludes the inter-mountain West and Rocky Mountain region. The wetter-than-normal area in the Northwest, and the slight increased risk of dryness in the southeast and California are also new. These changes are based on updated empirical and dynamical prediction tools NOAA forecasters utilize to make seasonal climate forecasts.

Over the last month and the first few weeks of November, the U.S. has been experiencing some dramatic weather events. However, according to the NOAA Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C., October 2003 ranked as the 8th warmest and 30th driest October for the U.S. in 108 years. The Western region and central part of the U.S. were mostly dry, while the Northeastern and extreme Northwestern regions were mostly wet for October. The outlook for December through February implies a continuation of at least some of the elements that contributed to these observations. In particular, odds are better than average for abnormally wet conditions in the Northwest, while drier-than-average conditions are more likely than average in California and Florida.



Dennis :cry:

2003 Snowfall total 0.000000"
Normal snowfall to date: 32"
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#2 Postby azsnowman » Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:08 pm

With this said.....reckon I'd better start a stock pile of bottled water.....seriously!

from Arizona to Montana and the western Great Plains, drought will likely persist and contribute to a lingering, long-term water shortage.


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#3 Postby azsnowman » Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:19 pm

Well.....here's a LOVELY, WARM NAFD

AFDFLG

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FLAGSTAFF AZ
330 PM MST TUE DEC 2 2003

.SYNOPSIS...HIGH PRESSURE WILL BRING DRY CONDITIONS TO THE AREA
WEDNESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. TEMPERATURES WILL BE COOLER WEDNESDAY
INTO THURSDAY...FOLLOWED BY A WARMING TREND FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
ANOTHER WEAK STORM SYSTEM WILL APPROACH ARIZONA LATE IN THE WEEKEND
BRINGING COOLER TEMPERATURES...AND A SLIGHT CHANCE OF RAIN AND SNOW.
&&

.DISCUSSION...HIGH PRESSURE WILL KEEP NORTHERN ARIZONA DRY THROUGH
SATURDAY. SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE TO THE NORTHEAST OVER WESTERN
COLORADO WILL PUT THE AREA UNDER WEAK NORTHEAST FLOW AND WEAK LOW
LEVEL COLD ADVECTION WEDNESDAY INTO THURSDAY. RADIATIONAL COOLING
WILL DEEPEN THE COLD AIR IN THE BOUNDARY LAYER...MAINLY FROM THE
MOGOLLON RIM NORTHWARD. THE COLD AIR AT THE SURFACE WILL KEEP MIXING
DOWN TO A MINIMUM DURING THE DAY...WHICH WILL KEEP MOST LOCATIONS
FROM THE MOGOLLON RIM NORTHWARD ON THE COOL SIDE THROUGH THURSDAY.
THERE WILL BE SOME WARMING FRIDAY INTO SATURDAY AS WARM ADVECTION
AND INCREASING SOUTHWEST FLOW WILL ALLOW MIXING TO BEGIN...WHICH IN
TURN WILL ALLOW AFTERNOON TEMPS TO WARM UP.

NEXT UPSTREAM WEATHER SYSTEM COMES ONTO THE COAST BY EARLY SATURDAY.
DEEP LOW OVER THE EASTERN STATES MAY DELAY THE WEST COAST SYSTEM
EVENING MORE. THE ECMWF IS HOLDING THIS SYSTEM BACK AND NOT BRINGING
IT THROUGH NORTHERN ARIZONA UNTIL MONDAY 12Z WHILE THE GFS-00Z
BRINGS IT ACROSS LATE SUNDAY INTO SUNDAY NIGHT. THE GFS-00Z RUN IS
MUCH DRIER WITH THIS SYSTEM ON SUNDAY...AND CHC'S OF PRECIPITATION
HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO A SLIGHT CHANCE. FOR NOW...TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK
A RIDGE BEGINS TO BUILD BACK INTO THE AREA WITH SLIGHTLY WARMER
TEMPERATURES AND DRY CONDITIONS.

Yup.....it's gonna be the "Winter that Wasn't!"

Dennis
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#4 Postby StormCrazyIowan » Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:39 pm

Awwwwwww!!! Well Dennis, I have a post about 3 snow "chances" from now to next week..... if I miss on all 3 I will proudly share this thread with you!!!

*Wails*
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#5 Postby Stephanie » Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:03 pm

I'm so sorry to hear that Dennis. I've really been hoping that this year would be better than the last several for you. Hang in there!
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#6 Postby azsnowman » Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:39 am

Well........the system that was *suppose* to come into play this coming weekend has fizzled out *sigh*.....only 117 days till spring "LOL!"

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#7 Postby coriolis » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:19 am

Dennis, if this looming storm for us delivers as promised, I'll mail you some snow.
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#8 Postby JCT777 » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:52 am

Dennis - I truly hope things change for you and that you get some cold/snow soon.
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#9 Postby StormCrazyIowan » Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:05 am

Well, got hosed last night, thats STRIKE ONE!!!! :roll:

C'mon SPRING!!! :lol:
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#10 Postby azsnowman » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:06 pm

Another FINE spring day here in the Brown, White Mountains :-? Hit a high of 69.7° today, even WARMER tomorrow and STILL, no moisture on the horizon. AH WELL, with my back being the way it is and my son moving out, I REALLY didn't feel like shoveling the white stuff ANYWAYS :P This is JUST like the winter of 1970......snowfall that year, "12" inches, that was at 12,000 foot elevation! The sad part, our reserviors are ALREADY starting to dry up......God have mercy on us!

Dennis :cry:
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#11 Postby David » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:10 pm

I'm with ya. Topeka never gets snow. :)
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#12 Postby azsnowman » Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:03 pm

Well......I guess the snow I received on the 8th of Dec was and WILL be my last for quite some time :grr: The 30 day outlook is GRIM! Here's to another DRY winter *sigh*, ah well, hopefully the wildfire season won't start until Feb. and gives me a chance to pack all my sh** up before we go up in flames this spring!

Dennis :cry:
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#13 Postby StormCrazyIowan » Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:12 pm

Ugh!! Tell me about it!! System yesterday started with hopes of 4'6"......I didn't even get a full dusting!! Another clipper coming through tomorrow night....not expecting but a dusting from that as well! :roll:

I really REALLY can't complain all too much though: compare the 6" I have so far this December to the .01" I saw ALL last December, and I guess I am sitting pretty!!

I just BETTER have a White Christmas!! :D
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Re: The OFFICAL "Throwin' in the Towel" Thread!

#14 Postby Guest » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:34 pm

Is this a Joke? B/c anyone who puts any faith in CPC is a FOOL

Lets review CPC recent forecast for recent seasons shall wee?

Last winter --- 'el nino winter coming Below normal snowfall and mild temps in the northeast " RESULTS... record and near snow and cold

AUTUMN 2002... CPC said "there is No end to the drought in the east coast in sight this autumn" RESULT the wettest OND EVER RECORDED since 1870

winter 2001-02 CPC said "below normal temps and above normal snwofall in the eastern US.... result WARMEST winter EVER in the eastern US

SUMMER 2002.... above normal rainfall and coolest temps in the Midwest RESULT one of the top 10 Hottest and DRIEST JULYs ever...

GUYS if cpc was right even 50% of the time I wouldnt be in business


azsnowman wrote:Have you lost hope on this upcoming winter like I have......here's the place to cry the blues, there's a towel to dry your eyes here to "LOL!"

After reading this NOAA Outlook, I've totally given up on ANY snow this year, snowfall to date 0.00000000", NORMAL snowfall to date, 32"....here's the outlook, get the towel ready "LOL!"

December, January and February, NOAA forecasters are calling for the likelihood of above-average precipitation over Texas, Oklahoma, Washington, northern Oregon and northern Idaho, while below-normal precipitation is likely over Florida, southern Georgia, and California. Meanwhile, above normal temperatures are now likely over the central U.S. from Texas to Wisconsin, including almost all of the Great Plains. Above-normal temperatures are also expected for the southwest U.S., including all of New Mexico and Arizona; and West Coast states of California, Oregon, and Washington, and for Alaska and Hawaii. For other parts of the nation, the winter will have equal chance of above-, below- or near-normal temperatures and precipitation.

NOAA forecasters continue to expect the existing multi-year drought conditions in much of the interior West and parts of the Central Plains to continue for at least the next three months. Some improvement is likely, mostly in some areas in the north-central Plains and parts of the West. In many areas in the inter-mountain region, from Arizona to Montana and the western Great Plains, drought will likely persist and contribute to a lingering, long-term water shortage. (Click NOAA image for larger view of forecast winter precipitation for the USA. Click here for high resolution version, which is a large file. Please credit “NOAA.)

“Conditions in the central Pacific will not play a strong role in the winter weather patterns over the U.S.,” said Edward O’Lenic, meteorologist at the NOAA Climate Prediction Center. “While last winter’s jet stream patterns were relatively persistent, leading to cooler than average conditions in the eastern U.S., this winter we see more frequent jet stream swings, resulting in more variable weather patterns and regimes lasting from one to several weeks,” he added.

Today’s winter outlook update expands the area of warmer-than-normal expected conditions from the South and West to include all of the central U.S., but excludes the inter-mountain West and Rocky Mountain region. The wetter-than-normal area in the Northwest, and the slight increased risk of dryness in the southeast and California are also new. These changes are based on updated empirical and dynamical prediction tools NOAA forecasters utilize to make seasonal climate forecasts.

Over the last month and the first few weeks of November, the U.S. has been experiencing some dramatic weather events. However, according to the NOAA Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C., October 2003 ranked as the 8th warmest and 30th driest October for the U.S. in 108 years. The Western region and central part of the U.S. were mostly dry, while the Northeastern and extreme Northwestern regions were mostly wet for October. The outlook for December through February implies a continuation of at least some of the elements that contributed to these observations. In particular, odds are better than average for abnormally wet conditions in the Northwest, while drier-than-average conditions are more likely than average in California and Florida.



Dennis :cry:

2003 Snowfall total 0.000000"
Normal snowfall to date: 32"
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Re: The OFFICAL "Throwin' in the Towel" Thread!

#15 Postby RNS » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:39 pm

DT wrote:Is this a Joke? B/c anyone who puts any faith in CPC is a FOOL

Lets review CPC recent forecast for recent seasons shall wee?

Last winter --- 'el nino winter coming Below normal snowfall and mild temps in the northeast " RESULTS... record and near snow and cold

AUTUMN 2002... CPC said "there is No end to the drought in the east coast in sight this autumn" RESULT the wettest OND EVER RECORDED since 1870

winter 2001-02 CPC said "below normal temps and above normal snwofall in the eastern US.... result WARMEST winter EVER in the eastern US

SUMMER 2002.... above normal rainfall and coolest temps in the Midwest RESULT one of the top 10 Hottest and DRIEST JULYs ever...

GUYS if cpc was right even 50% of the time I wouldnt be in business


azsnowman wrote:Have you lost hope on this upcoming winter like I have......here's the place to cry the blues, there's a towel to dry your eyes here to "LOL!"

After reading this NOAA Outlook, I've totally given up on ANY snow this year, snowfall to date 0.00000000", NORMAL snowfall to date, 32"....here's the outlook, get the towel ready "LOL!"

December, January and February, NOAA forecasters are calling for the likelihood of above-average precipitation over Texas, Oklahoma, Washington, northern Oregon and northern Idaho, while below-normal precipitation is likely over Florida, southern Georgia, and California. Meanwhile, above normal temperatures are now likely over the central U.S. from Texas to Wisconsin, including almost all of the Great Plains. Above-normal temperatures are also expected for the southwest U.S., including all of New Mexico and Arizona; and West Coast states of California, Oregon, and Washington, and for Alaska and Hawaii. For other parts of the nation, the winter will have equal chance of above-, below- or near-normal temperatures and precipitation.

NOAA forecasters continue to expect the existing multi-year drought conditions in much of the interior West and parts of the Central Plains to continue for at least the next three months. Some improvement is likely, mostly in some areas in the north-central Plains and parts of the West. In many areas in the inter-mountain region, from Arizona to Montana and the western Great Plains, drought will likely persist and contribute to a lingering, long-term water shortage. (Click NOAA image for larger view of forecast winter precipitation for the USA. Click here for high resolution version, which is a large file. Please credit “NOAA.)

“Conditions in the central Pacific will not play a strong role in the winter weather patterns over the U.S.,” said Edward O’Lenic, meteorologist at the NOAA Climate Prediction Center. “While last winter’s jet stream patterns were relatively persistent, leading to cooler than average conditions in the eastern U.S., this winter we see more frequent jet stream swings, resulting in more variable weather patterns and regimes lasting from one to several weeks,” he added.

Today’s winter outlook update expands the area of warmer-than-normal expected conditions from the South and West to include all of the central U.S., but excludes the inter-mountain West and Rocky Mountain region. The wetter-than-normal area in the Northwest, and the slight increased risk of dryness in the southeast and California are also new. These changes are based on updated empirical and dynamical prediction tools NOAA forecasters utilize to make seasonal climate forecasts.

Over the last month and the first few weeks of November, the U.S. has been experiencing some dramatic weather events. However, according to the NOAA Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C., October 2003 ranked as the 8th warmest and 30th driest October for the U.S. in 108 years. The Western region and central part of the U.S. were mostly dry, while the Northeastern and extreme Northwestern regions were mostly wet for October. The outlook for December through February implies a continuation of at least some of the elements that contributed to these observations. In particular, odds are better than average for abnormally wet conditions in the Northwest, while drier-than-average conditions are more likely than average in California and Florida.



Dennis :cry:

2003 Snowfall total 0.000000"
Normal snowfall to date: 32"


And lets not forget DT...the November forecast...placing the strongest below normal temperatures anomalies across the Southeast...where it ended up being the warmest relative to normal.
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#16 Postby Stormsfury » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:47 pm

And lets not forget DT...the November forecast...placing the strongest below normal temperatures anomalies across the Southeast...where it ended up being the warmest relative to normal.


I can attest to that!

Let's see, 4.1º above normal in CHS, and warmer, not to mention almost breaking an all-time record in CHS ... hmmph... some below normal temperatures. I BARELY wore a jacket that entire month!

SF
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#17 Postby Lehigh » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:55 am

Gonna throw the towel in this winter...................

I am gonna stick with my very first few threads I had posted.

Short winter..................early spring.

Mild temps and little snow.....................

I missed every time with my last few threads.............

I knew I was wrong when posting/

I went with the flow of others and hoping that I be right.

My thoughts:

Always stick to what you really believe.

You will get flack but you usually will win
the argument.

My first few threads are proving this.

Have a Great winter...................................
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#18 Postby donsutherland1 » Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:02 pm

Lehigh,

At this point in time, Allentown is running 60% above its normal snowfall to date: 12.0" 2003-04 (Normal through December: 7.5").

In addition, Allentown has received 38% of its normal seasonal snowfall (12.0" vs. 31.6"). Barring a major and enduring shift in the patterns, it appears that Allentown (and also the Lehigh Valley) is well on its way to above normal snowfall.
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#19 Postby azsnowman » Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:57 pm

DT/WXRSK.......first off, let me say, I am NO FOOL :grr: #2......So far, this outlook by the CPC has been RIGHT on the money, right now, I'm sitting at 65°, 34° ABOVE normal, HMMM, kinda FITS CPC'S outlook does it not. #3) Here's a copy of email from a good friend (who shall remain nameless as per his request) who DOES NOT work for the CPC BUT......he's been right on thus far!

Officially, the CPC outlook for the
winter was for warmer than normal temperatures and near normal
precipitation. My outlook as I posted last month on my homepage in the
monthly summary calls for warmer than normal temperatures and below normal
precipitation. Sadly, however, conditions seem to be developing even drier
than I was expecting. The problem remains the Drought which is in a
feedback mode and which is really impacting our rainfall. The latest Niño
diagnostic indicates basically neutral conditions or at best weak Niño
conditions-however, very weak warm phase events have no major impact on our
weather.


So....with that said, let's put that in our pipes and smoke it!

Dennis 8-)
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