UN Question

wannabehippie · #1 Postby **wannabehippie** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:24 pm

two questions regarding the UN

1) are there any provisions to remove a permanent member of the security council from that position?
2) can a member of the security council cast a "no" vote without it being an actual veto? what i mean on a resolution before the security council, can one of the permanent members cast a no vote, showing their displeasure with it. but yet it not be a veto so it can still pass.

peace
david

#2 Postby **coriolis** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:43 pm

Here's a link to the charter of the UN.

http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/

It appears that there is no provision for removing a permanent member from the security council

I think that a no vote is not a veto. Not sure. I read thru it fast, you could take more time at your liesure.

#3 Postby **streetsoldier** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 1:28 am

A "no" vote, by any "rotating" member of the Security Council, is just that; when a permanent member votes "no", it IS a "veto", as it requires only ONE permanent member to veto any resolution to render further action null and void...regardless of the will of the other 14 sitting members.

wannabehippie · #4 Postby **wannabehippie** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 8:19 am

but when one of the permanent members vote no does it HAVE to be a veto. or can lets say, france, vote no on a measure but say they are not invoking their veto power. meaning they are showing their displeasure of the measure but are not going to stop it entirely.

or is a no vote by one the "big five" a veto no matter what?

peace
david

#5 Postby **Stephanie** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 9:03 am

I read through it quickly too...I didn't see in Chapter V. what it means for a member of the Security Council to vote "no" or where it stated that one veto of a permanent member ment that the resolution was dead. I think that it should be based on a majority vote only - 2/3's or maybe 3/4's of the total vote and or a total of 3 vetos to defeat the resolution.

#6 Postby **coriolis** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 9:10 am

Maybe that's why you're always hearing about members "abstaining"

#7 Postby **Stephanie** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 9:15 am

Could be Coriolis!

mf_dolphin · #8 Postby **mf_dolphin** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 9:56 am

Abstaining is the only way a permanent member can vote "No" without a veto. Abstaining is usually considered as a show of no support but does not carry the political baggage of a veto.

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