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#21 Postby Skywatch_NC » Sun Jan 04, 2004 8:08 pm

cycloneye wrote:Chad I agree with you on what you said about playing with fire as betting on baseball games is playing with fire and MLB doesn't want that kind of thing happening in that sport.


Gambling shouldn't happen in any sport...period.
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#22 Postby chadtm80 » Sun Jan 04, 2004 8:18 pm

Nice Avatar Eric :-)
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#23 Postby Skywatch_NC » Sun Jan 04, 2004 8:22 pm

chadtm80 wrote:Nice Avatar Eric :-)


Thank you, Chad...I like your's, too. :)
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#24 Postby Miss Mary » Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:59 am

In a local article Pete is quoted from the book coming out soon, he didn't bet against the Reds. I'd like to believe he didn't. I really would.

http://www.channelcincinnati.com/sports ... etail.html

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#25 Postby JCT777 » Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:26 am

I agree with many others in this thread - If he did not bet on his own team, then I think Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. Otherwise, sorry Charlie Hustle.
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#26 Postby Miss Mary » Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:40 am

Here's one more local article, there will be more I'm sure, in case anyone is interested:

http://www.cincynow.com/news/2004/local/01/05/rose.html

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#27 Postby Miss Mary » Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:14 pm

Just watched the noon local news. They took a news crew to Price Hill, a western Cincinnati suburb, near where Pete grew up. You see the West Side of Cincinnati is very loyal to Pete Rose. Generation after generations grow up over there, never moving far from the home they grew up in. As soon as the news piece started, I thought yep, Channel 12's no dummy, they knew where to get positive opinions. They interviewed 3 people, they all said he needs to be in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Just as I predicted, one older lady said we need to forgive Pete. I knew he'd get that reaction here. Just hope the rest of the country forgives him too. And more than that, Selig allows his name to be on the ballot some day.

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#28 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:34 pm

If he doesn't get nominated this year in the ballot for the hall of fame then he will have to wait 3 years until the veterans hall of fame decide but it will be very interesting to see if those who decide who goes or not to the hall will say after this confession from Pete.
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#29 Postby weatherluvr » Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:59 pm

cycloneye wrote:If he doesn't get nominated this year in the ballot for the hall of fame then he will have to wait 3 years until the veterans hall of fame decide but it will be very interesting to see if those who decide who goes or not to the hall will say after this confession from Pete.


If it comes down to getting in via the veteran's committee, several members have already stated that they won't vote for him. IMO, his best shot at getting in is if he's declared eligible before '05.
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#30 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:27 pm

Yes I agree that if the hall of fame people dont put him in the ballot this year then it will be very difficult for the veterans committee to put him there.
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#31 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:59 pm

I moved this thread to this forum from the sports one because this is a topic that all haved been following for years and now the debate about if Pete Rose must be at the hall of fame or not has heated up after his confesion of betting on some Cincinatti reds games.So what is the opinions from the members about if he deserves to be in the hall of fame or not.
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#32 Postby coriolis » Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:42 pm

What bookie in his right mind would take a bet from a person who could influence the outcome? ...Unless he used proxies?
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#33 Postby rainstorm » Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:43 pm

Skywatch_NC wrote:Pete has paid long enough for what he did. Hey, other pro athletes have made mistakes, too...it seems Rose has been made a pariah scapegoat from this debacle.

Eric


pariah?? he made himself a pariah!! and anyone who thinks he is telling the whole truth now is naive. he has lied from the get go. did he do things to throw games??

Pete Rose Admits He Bet on Baseball


By RONALD BLUM, AP




NEW YORK (Jan. 5) - After 14 years of denials, Pete Rose has finally come clean and admitted he bet on baseball while manager of the Cincinnati Reds.

The career hits leader says in his soon-to-be-released autobiography that he hopes the acknowledgment will help end his ban from baseball, which could lead to his induction into the Hall of Fame.

Rose says he was a big-time gambler who started betting regularly on baseball in 1987 but never against the Reds, according to excerpts from the book released to Sports Illustrated for its issue that hits newsstands Wednesday.

"Yes, sir, I did bet on baseball," Rose told commissioner Bud Selig during a meeting in November 2002 about Rose's lifetime ban.


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"How often?" Selig asked. "Four or five times a week," Rose replied. "But I never bet against my own team, and I never made any bets from the clubhouse."

"Why?" Selig asked.

"I didn't think I'd get caught."

Rose repeated his admission in an interview on ABC News' "Primetime Thursday," parts of which aired Monday on "Good Morning America."

"It's time to clean the slate, it's time to take responsibility," Rose says in the interview. "I'm 14 years late.

"I just never had the opportunity to tell anybody that was going to help me. ... I couldn't get a response from baseball for 12 years. It's like I died and, and they knew I died and they didn't want to bring me back. They were just going to let me rot."

In "My Prison Without Bars," to be released Thursday, Rose writes that he regrets lying for all those years and says, "I wish I could take it all back."

"I've consistently heard the statement: 'If Pete Rose came clean, all would be forgiven.' Well, I've done what you've asked. The rest is up to the commissioner and the big umpire in the sky."

Rose agreed to the lifetime ban in August 1989 and applied for reinstatement in 1997, but Selig hasn't ruled on the request.




Betting Frequency: "Four or five times a week. But I never bet against my own team..."

Motivation: "A part of me was still looking for ways to recapture the high I got from winning batting titles and World Series."

Rehabilitation: "I should have had the opportunity to get help, but baseball had no fancy rehab for gamblers like they do for drug addicts."

Prior Denial: "... Right or wrong, the punishment didn't fit the crime -- so I denied the crime."

His End of the Bargain: "I've consistently heard the statement: 'If Pete Rose came clean, all would be forgiven.' Well, I've done what you've asked."

Reinstatement: "I think the powers that be in baseball understand that, 'Hey, maybe the fans like this guy. Maybe the fans want, want us to give him a second chance.'"


Source: The Associated Press

After meeting with Selig, Rose came away thinking he would be reinstated "within a reasonable period." Other baseball officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the following month that Selig wanted Rose to admit he bet on baseball as part of any reinstatement agreement.

"We haven't seen the book. Until we read the book, there's nothing to comment on," Selig told The Associated Press on Sunday night.

As long as Rose is banned from baseball, he is ineligible for the Hall of Fame ballot. His last chance to appear on the writers' ballot is December 2005. After that, if he's reinstated, he could be voted in by the veterans' committee. "The application remains pending, and the commissioner will take all of this into account," Bob DuPuy, baseball's chief operating officer, said Monday.

Rose wrote that if he "had been an alcoholic or a drug addict, baseball would have suspended me for six weeks and paid for my rehabilitation."


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"I should have had the opportunity to get help, but baseball had no fancy rehab for gamblers like they do for drug addicts," Rose wrote. "If I had admitted my guilt, it would have been the same as putting my head on the chopping block - lifetime ban. Death penalty. I spent my entire life on the baseball fields of America, and I was not going to give up my profession without first seeing some hard evidence. ... Right or wrong, the punishment didn't fit the crime - so I denied the crime."

In the book, Rose admits placing bets with Ronald Peters through Thomas Gioiosa and Paul Janszen - the three were the primary witnesses in the 1989 investigation by baseball lawyer John Dowd that led to the agreement in which Rose accepted a lifetime ban.

Dowd concluded Rose bet on baseball from 1985-87 and detailed 412 baseball wagers between April 8-July 5, 1987, including 52 on Cincinnati to win.

"During the times I gambled as a manager, I never took an unfair advantage," Rose wrote. "I never bet more or less based on injuries or inside information. I never allowed my wagers to influence my baseball decisions. So in my mind, I wasn't corrupt."

Former baseball commissioner Fay Vincent said Sunday: "I think John Dowd is owed a big apology by Rose.

"John is the hero. He did a great job. Now Rose admits John was correct," Vincent said.


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In his 1989 autobiography, "Pete Rose: My Story," Rose denied gambling. That book was written with Roger Kahn.

"I feel he has embarrassed me," Kahn said Monday. "I must have asked Pete 20 times, `Did you bet on baseball?' He would look at me, blink his eyes and say, `I didn't bet baseball. I have too much respect for the game.

Rose wrote that after breaking Ty Cobb's career hits record in 1985, and as he dealt with retirement as a player the following year, his betting became more of a problem. He details losing several hundreds of thousands of dollars.

"I didn't realize it at the time, but I was pushing toward disaster," he wrote. "A part of me was still looking for ways to recapture the high I got from winning batting titles and World Series. If I couldn't get the high from playing baseball, then I needed a substitute to keep from feeling depressed. I was driven, in gambling as well as in baseball. Enough was never enough. I had huge appetites, and I was always hungry."

Asked during the ABC News interview what fans think about him, Rose said: "I think the powers that be in baseball understand that, 'Hey, maybe the fans like this guy. Maybe the fans want, want us to give him a second chance."
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#34 Postby rainstorm » Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:47 pm

JCT777 wrote:I agree with many others in this thread - If he did not bet on his own team, then I think Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. Otherwise, sorry Charlie Hustle.


exactly. he is only telling enough "truth" to get into the hall of fame. the fact that he has blatantly lied all these years is telling. did he throw games? did he make decisions because of his bets? we know he is a congenital liar.
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#35 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:56 pm

At the 1999 world series Jim Gray of NBC interviewed Pete Rose and ask him about if he was going to admit on betting on games and he did not admited on betting on games and now in 2004 he comes out with this confession.
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#36 Postby Skywatch_NC » Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:03 pm

Those like myself, Miss Mary, CincySun, etc., who grew up in Cincinnati have a sentimentality about the Big Red Machine and that includes Pete Rose!

Other pro athletes have made errors in their lives...take for ie: Strawberry who couldn't keep his nose out of the "Powdered Sugar!" :grrr:

I DON'T support what Rose did in the betting and lying...but for his playing career years records and he is a human being.

Hey we ALL make mistakes in life...now don't we??

He's not a "MONSTER" as some would like to think! :roll:

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#37 Postby rainstorm » Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:16 pm

Skywatch_NC wrote:Those like myself, Miss Mary, CincySun, etc., who grew up in Cincinnati have a sentimentality about the Big Red Machine and that includes Pete Rose!

Other pro athletes have made errors in their lives...take for ie: Strawberry who couldn't keep his nose out of the "Powdered Sugar!" :grrr:

I DON'T support what Rose did in the betting and lying...but for his playing career years records and he is a human being.

Hey we ALL make mistakes in life...now don't we??

He's not a "MONSTER" as some would like to think! :roll:

Eric


he is far worse than a drug user. he is a blatant liar who is only telling just enough "truth" to get into the hall. i am sure he will deny that he threw games, lol!! but for 15 years he denied he bet on baseball. his credibility is less than zero
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#38 Postby sunnyday » Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:21 pm

Yes, he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. The betting was a bad moral decision but doesn't negate his outstanding sports record.
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#39 Postby sunnyday » Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:43 pm

Betting is definitely a bad habit, but drug abuse in so much worse.
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#40 Postby Skywatch_NC » Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:24 pm

sunnyday wrote:Betting is definitely a bad habit, but drug abuse in so much worse.


I agree, sunnyday.
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